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AIBU to want my OH to earn more money?

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CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 11:27

AIBU?

I’ve been with my partner for 8 years (not married). We have two children, 1 and 4. And a mortgage. He is a great dad (and I mean this - much more present, sensitive) and does at least 50% of the housework, if not more.

But, I’m getting increasingly angry and frustrated at our finances and how id like more money for holidays and to save!

I work 30 hours a week in a professional job that earns a £32k salary. He is self-employed in a creative role, and I’m never exactly sure how much he earns a month/year because “it’s not that simple” and it also fluctuates quite a bit… and he needs to keep money in the business for expenses, tax etc so his clear take home income is not that transparent. And it’s difficult for me to challenge big purchases when he says they’re needed for my business.

His parents have always been terrible at managing money and as such he has huge anxiety about talking about money.

When we bought our house i got him to agree to a joint account, and we agreed to work out how much our bills and reasonable other spending would be, and split it in proportion to our earnings. And keep the rest in our own accounts. I agreed to do this on his worst case scenario month. Basically I paid 2/3 and he paid 1/3.

Then he got frustrated that he had v little disposable income, and I agreed (in a v stressful emotional conversation) to splitting it so that we instead have the same amount of disposable income each left. So I now pay more than 2x what he pays - so I pay £1250 a month, and he pays £450.

This is never really enough to pay for incidental stuff though, like Xmas and birthdays and new shoes for the children, new furniture for the house etc so I normally pay for these out of my own leftover money.

I’m getting increasingly frustrated that:
a) I’ve trained to be in a seemingly well-paid job but can’t really afford luxuries or to save anything for a holiday or the future, because he doesn’t earn enough money. Am I unreasonable that I want him to be a better business person and earn more money, even though he’s very good at what he does?
b) that he won’t be really transparent with me about his financial situation - for example, I paid off his overdraft when I came into some money that I later used for our house deposit, and then we went on a uk holiday and he went substantially back into his overdraft on the basis that I’d said it would be nice to go for lunch and other things, without knowing that would be the outcome, because he can’t talk about it because it stresses him out so much. If I’d known we could have changed to cheaper plans.

Does anyone have any advice about how I can help us be more organised and transparent with our finances so we can be more in control - especially with someone who has an anxious history with money? I’m never quite sure if it’s that we don’t have enough money or if it feels out of my control?

OP posts:
Movingonup22 · 03/03/2022 11:32

His lack of transparency and honesty about money is crap and very unfair to you.

But that’s a separate issue to him earning more money. I don’t think it’s helpful to conflate the two separate issues.

CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 11:35

@Movingonup22 thank you for your reply.

I think maybe I need to try to improve our communication and management of money first, so try to establish if we do earn enough… any advice on how to do this would be appreciated!

OP posts:
Shoxfordian · 03/03/2022 11:35

He needs to be able to talk to you clearly about money every month; maybe have a set day you talk money, have a system- it’s not fair of him to not be open with you

Viviennemary · 03/03/2022 11:35

He needs to get a proper job and support his family. Why should you put up with this airy fairy vagueness. I would be suspecting he is hiding debt and thats why he doesn't want to discuss it.

gamerchick · 03/03/2022 11:36

I don't think it's not earning more thats the problem. He could be bringing in more than he's telling you. Why would he need to change, he has the same spends as you?

Tell him he needs an employed position on the side. Maybe

Birkenshock · 03/03/2022 11:37

He pays £450 towards all household costs A MONTH and that's it?! Yes, he needs to earn more. Even on minimum wage an adult should be able to contribute £1K a month towards housing/all bills/food/household costs, and still have a couple of hundred left for their own costs a month.

Haus1234 · 03/03/2022 11:39

Don’t marry him! I’m not the kind of poster who usually says this either but it’s very much not in your interest!

Userg1234 · 03/03/2022 11:39

Wow so reverse this and you be the husband. It is unreasonable to demand he earns more, between you have a very good income, yours alone is above average. So in this yabu

Your real problems are the fact that he is not honest about his earning. That is a separate issue, which I would not be happy with. So overall yanu

TheRealityCheque · 03/03/2022 11:40

@Viviennemary

He needs to get a proper job and support his family. Why should you put up with this airy fairy vagueness. I would be suspecting he is hiding debt and thats why he doesn't want to discuss it.
Wow.

Imagine if a man said that about our jobs.

Movingonup22 · 03/03/2022 11:40

To be honest I can never really understand why couples don’t Talkr about money openly. It’s obviously not a problem for you and it’s that he’s got a load of issues about it. So ultimately the solution is he needs to sort out his own issues. But you can’t make him and it sounds unlikely that he will.

So if it was me I’d just say is straight. I need full transparency over all your money - we are a family unit and at the moment it is not clear how much you can and are contributing. If you won’t do this we have a real problem. And honestly I just wouldn’t give him an inch to bluster on about it. Make it clear it’s a deal breaker for you.

Movingonup22 · 03/03/2022 11:42

@TheRealityCheque sorry I don’t want to derail but I’m intrigued to know what you mean by “our jobs”?

lockdownalli · 03/03/2022 11:42

It sounds like he has a hobby rather than a business. he is very lucky you have facilitated his lifestyle so far but given the situation with the DC, I think he needs to get a job and do the creative stuff as a side hustle.

Dinoteeth · 03/03/2022 11:42

What are his year end accounts saying?

If he's not at least making minium wage then the business needs to go.

Lookingforphev · 03/03/2022 11:42

I agree with pp. Your title doesn't match what's in the post.

At the moment, it's not what he earns thata causing a problem.

My experience is that people are only vague about this sort of thing, we it pays them to be. So he can be vague about money and you fix it. Pay off his over draft, pay alot more in bills etc.

My dp earns alot less than and it doesn't bother me. It would bother me if he was sketchy about money and I kept having to pick up the pieces.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 03/03/2022 11:43

Does he have a secret gambling problem or drug habit?

How many hours a week goes he work?

If he’s freelance it can be difficult to predict, but there is no reason to hide his finances.

Frenchfancy · 03/03/2022 11:43

There definitely needs to be more transparency in your finances. But if you want more money then I suggest you up your hours to full time and get him to bridge any childcare gaps.

AgathaMystery · 03/03/2022 11:43

OP I have been in a similar situation except I was the low(we) earner but my DH was also not transparent about finances.

In the end we had to have a very Frank and open discussion. In fact we have one every 3-5 yrs as old habits die hard. My DH is an ostrich and will let a tiny issue become MASSIVE by ignoring it.

After almost 20yrs I have accepted that I am the one ‘good’ with money. As such I do not worry about it and not does DH. we are both much happier. It was hard for him to ‘hand over control’ but with that he handed over all the stress too. Lucky him eh.

Lookingforphev · 03/03/2022 11:43

Sorry, posted too soon.

He needs to be really transparent and if the business isn't viable, he needs to get a job instead.

TheRealityCheque · 03/03/2022 11:43

[quote Movingonup22]@TheRealityCheque sorry I don’t want to derail but I’m intrigued to know what you mean by “our jobs”?[/quote]
Sorry, badly worded.

Imagine if a man had said that about the womens jobs.

"Had to get a proper job" etc

Lookingforphev · 03/03/2022 11:46

@TheRealityCheque this isn't about what sex someone is. If your business does not make enough money to pay you a decent wage and your partner isn't happy or can't plug the gaps then you need to accept the business doesn't work.

Adults have financial responsibilities. You can't just say "oh my partner can fill the gap, while I get to do what I want" and expect the partner to be happy about it.

Ozanj · 03/03/2022 11:46

The problem here isn’t the job but that you both have very different attitudes to money. On that basis alone I would dump him and run. He won’t change.

MintJulia · 03/03/2022 11:48

Agree with Dinoteeth, after 8 years, he should be able to provide you with at least 5 years of accounts, to give you a rough idea.

If he won't do that, he's being intentionally obstructive and that can't work. £450 a month is not enough to keep just him. Either you are a team or you aren't.

Trisolaris · 03/03/2022 11:51

@TheRealityCheque

If the woman’s job was not making enough for basic living expenses and it wasn’t due to him making it impossible for her to get another due to refusing to look after kids etc then I’d say fair enough.

Merryoldgoat · 03/03/2022 11:51

Two separate issues:

If you are a family with mortgage, family, etc then the surplus should split to give you equal funds.

He may earn a variable amount but it’s really not hard to split money each month.

bluedodecagon · 03/03/2022 11:52

You are about to get 100LTBs but The issue is that you have very different attitudes towards money and you haven’t really done anything to resolve that. I suggest since you are two children in, that instead of leaving in a huff as people are suggesting, you should work really really hard to try and resolve their differences in your attitude to money.

Counselling, therapy, financial questionnaires, apps. Whatever will help, now is the time to try it. Don’t let this go because it isn’t really about him earning, it’s about his anxiety around money and your different attitudes to money.