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AIBU to want my OH to earn more money?

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CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 11:27

AIBU?

I’ve been with my partner for 8 years (not married). We have two children, 1 and 4. And a mortgage. He is a great dad (and I mean this - much more present, sensitive) and does at least 50% of the housework, if not more.

But, I’m getting increasingly angry and frustrated at our finances and how id like more money for holidays and to save!

I work 30 hours a week in a professional job that earns a £32k salary. He is self-employed in a creative role, and I’m never exactly sure how much he earns a month/year because “it’s not that simple” and it also fluctuates quite a bit… and he needs to keep money in the business for expenses, tax etc so his clear take home income is not that transparent. And it’s difficult for me to challenge big purchases when he says they’re needed for my business.

His parents have always been terrible at managing money and as such he has huge anxiety about talking about money.

When we bought our house i got him to agree to a joint account, and we agreed to work out how much our bills and reasonable other spending would be, and split it in proportion to our earnings. And keep the rest in our own accounts. I agreed to do this on his worst case scenario month. Basically I paid 2/3 and he paid 1/3.

Then he got frustrated that he had v little disposable income, and I agreed (in a v stressful emotional conversation) to splitting it so that we instead have the same amount of disposable income each left. So I now pay more than 2x what he pays - so I pay £1250 a month, and he pays £450.

This is never really enough to pay for incidental stuff though, like Xmas and birthdays and new shoes for the children, new furniture for the house etc so I normally pay for these out of my own leftover money.

I’m getting increasingly frustrated that:
a) I’ve trained to be in a seemingly well-paid job but can’t really afford luxuries or to save anything for a holiday or the future, because he doesn’t earn enough money. Am I unreasonable that I want him to be a better business person and earn more money, even though he’s very good at what he does?
b) that he won’t be really transparent with me about his financial situation - for example, I paid off his overdraft when I came into some money that I later used for our house deposit, and then we went on a uk holiday and he went substantially back into his overdraft on the basis that I’d said it would be nice to go for lunch and other things, without knowing that would be the outcome, because he can’t talk about it because it stresses him out so much. If I’d known we could have changed to cheaper plans.

Does anyone have any advice about how I can help us be more organised and transparent with our finances so we can be more in control - especially with someone who has an anxious history with money? I’m never quite sure if it’s that we don’t have enough money or if it feels out of my control?

OP posts:
BowerOfBramble · 04/03/2022 14:40

Those are great changes for one day - how are you feeling about it all now? Is he earning more/less than you thought?

Delatron · 04/03/2022 15:17

So now you know the turnover, has your view changed? Is it a viable business or still min wage level and not sustainable?

GabriellaMontez · 04/03/2022 15:36

Is a turnover helpful without expenses? And pension contributions?

BillMasen · 04/03/2022 16:01

@RandomMess

I would make a nest egg in your sole name from now one because what happens if he doesn't step up and either make his business more profitable or get a different job?
I’d love to see you give that advice to a man earning more than his female partner!
LyricalBlowToTheJaw · 04/03/2022 16:15

Yeah def now ask to see the tax returns OP. I don't think you can come up with a viable way through this without that knowledge.

Zonder · 04/03/2022 17:24

@istandwithukraine I'm guessing you live in a really expensive area because 80k family income would be enough for treats and a holiday for lots of families.

@CafeNervosa your salary isn't really low, it's just that you're effectively living on almost one salary. Or one and a half.

Movingonup22 · 04/03/2022 17:36

@BillMasen - but I don’t think in this case the male partner is doing the majority of child care and domestic duties? So it’s a different dynamic

RoseJam · 04/03/2022 17:50

@BowerOfBramble

I actually disagree that he's probably in debt/not earning anything. My guess is his "anxiety" is leading him to hoard his earnings away from "danger" i.e. the family spending pot - and he's probably got thousands stashed away but he doesn't need to worry about this because OP has it covered.

IME self-employed people sometimes think employed people have it easy because "the money just comes in", as if that's a given and will go on forever. They sometimes forget what you give up for employment e.g. freedom to decide hours, not seeing the kids etc.

The alternative is he's spending all day not working OP.

I agree with this... my parents had a deep anxiety over money and were always claiming poverty and still do. Recently, I had to help them with their finances as they were claiming they hardly had anything. When I dug deeper, I found that they had over £100K in savings!!

OP - Have you thought about sitting down with your him and his Accountant? After these years in business, his accountant should be able to give a reasonable estimation of earnings and how much he should be putting away for tax. Also it is likely his business will have gathered profits from previous years.

Finally if he really is earning just 1K for 30 hours, that is not a viable business and more like a expensive hobby. Are you willing to fund that in order to have flexible childcare?

istandwithukraine · 04/03/2022 18:35

@Zonder

Not massively expensive. It's not the cheapest part of the world but it's certainly not known for being expensive

We do have twins though so childcare costs at the moment are eye watering - if I had only had one then yes we'd be able to afford a lot more

strivingtosucceed · 04/03/2022 19:33

@zurala

I think if the sexes in this were reversed the answers would be very different.

He does the school drop offs and pick ups, and half the housework, so he's basically the part timer in the relationship, like so many women.

I'm in a similar situation. I earn around 10k working around the children. I do all school runs, most of the housework, all the school admin, etc.

If my husband insisted I need to earn more money I'd be pissed off! I could only earn more if we paid for before and after school care and he took over more of the admin.

I do agree he needs to be open about his finances though. My OH doesn't really know what I earn because he doesn't ask and my hours change (I'm a contractor) but all my earnings go into the joint account as do his. We then each get a monthly allowance of £190 for personal spending, and for both of us most of it goes back into joint funds as we struggle financially too. OH earns 50k and we still find it hard to afford holidays and extras.

So I think:
He does need to be open about his earnings
But also you need to reframe how you view him as he contributes a lot by being the default childcarer, and if the sexes were reversed you would be getting a roasting for not valuing that.

This is it to be honest!!
hawkinspawkins · 04/03/2022 20:48

Where's his Money going?

Im suspicious

Gambling? Something else?

You need a big frank chat. All cards (statements) on the table

BoredZelda · 04/03/2022 22:36

Imagine if a man said that about our jobs.

No need to imagine, the response would be the same.

Any partner being vague about income and not contributing to running a family home would get the same response.

Zonder · 05/03/2022 05:58

He does the school drop offs and pick ups, and half the housework, so he's basically the part timer in the relationship, like so many women.

Surely a woman can only be part time too in a family if their joint income is enough to allow this? Or if they have a sparse lifestyle? Same as the OPs situation. Being male or female makes no difference.

Zonder · 05/03/2022 05:59

We do have twins though so childcare costs at the moment are eye watering - if I had only had one then yes we'd be able to afford a lot more

Oh yes - very expensive life season.

Landedonfeet · 05/03/2022 06:27

Safe to presume

The op has not seen the tax return because he refused to show her and
Op won’t be back

BarbaraofSeville · 05/03/2022 07:21

But it's not the same issue as a woman working part time to do most of the family stuff.

He's apparently earning part time money in close to full time hours in a hobby masquerading as a self employed business.

It would be like a woman claiming she was a mobile hairdresser and beautician but in reality spending a lot of time chatting with her friends while she did their hair and nails and they paid her mates rates.

He's either running an unsuccessful business or he's syphoning money off for himself while the family finances struggle.

If he can't earn more than NMW for the hours he puts into the business he needs to close it and get an employed job.

Clymene · 05/03/2022 07:41

@BarbaraofSeville

But it's not the same issue as a woman working part time to do most of the family stuff.

He's apparently earning part time money in close to full time hours in a hobby masquerading as a self employed business.

It would be like a woman claiming she was a mobile hairdresser and beautician but in reality spending a lot of time chatting with her friends while she did their hair and nails and they paid her mates rates.

He's either running an unsuccessful business or he's syphoning money off for himself while the family finances struggle.

If he can't earn more than NMW for the hours he puts into the business he needs to close it and get an employed job.

Exactly. Although he has now told the OP what his turnover was last year but she hasn't divulged to he thread whether he's earning a decent amount and hoarding it or playing at running a business. Very odd thread
GabriellaMontez · 05/03/2022 09:06

So he's defensive, nervous and anxious about money? So much so that you tiptoe round asking him for basic info. Like his tax return.

Either hes not cut out for self employment. Or he's running a scam.

Landedonfeet · 05/03/2022 11:38

It’s a shame
Because I suspect this scenario is not going to end happily
And the OP will end up worse off

NoSquirrels · 05/03/2022 12:03

I’m sorry you’re frustrated. Maybe you should review the emotional investment you put into other people’s problems if you’re not able to volunteer advice without demanding outcome that is satisfactory to you.

This is an excellent response and I think should be used on all threads where posters are demanding updates and shouting loudly. MN is just a site for people to give and receive advice. Do not give what you can’t afford, as MNHQ put it.

Ihopeyoulikemymuff · 05/03/2022 12:10

Loads of women come on mumsnet talking abut going part time or being a SAHP. How is that different to what he's doing? I'd be happy to have my husband go part time if we could do that.

Landedonfeet · 05/03/2022 12:22

@Ihopeyoulikemymuff

Loads of women come on mumsnet talking abut going part time or being a SAHP. How is that different to what he's doing? I'd be happy to have my husband go part time if we could do that.
The primary issue is him being cagey and shady about his finances
GabriellaMontez · 05/03/2022 12:27

@Ihopeyoulikemymuff

Loads of women come on mumsnet talking abut going part time or being a SAHP. How is that different to what he's doing? I'd be happy to have my husband go part time if we could do that.
Have you even read the thread? It's about a man who makes a minimal financial contribution to the family, and a fraction of the OP. But has resisted paying more whilst being unwilling to discuss what his income is or what his outgoings are. Do you really think thats OK?
BillMasen · 05/03/2022 12:46

@NoSquirrels

I’m sorry you’re frustrated. Maybe you should review the emotional investment you put into other people’s problems if you’re not able to volunteer advice without demanding outcome that is satisfactory to you.

This is an excellent response and I think should be used on all threads where posters are demanding updates and shouting loudly. MN is just a site for people to give and receive advice. Do not give what you can’t afford, as MNHQ put it.

Spot on
WickedStepmomNOT · 05/03/2022 15:45

Briony123
If I wanted more money I'd work full time before moaning about my partner.

WTF? Have you bothered reading the thread?

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