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AIBU to want my OH to earn more money?

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CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 11:27

AIBU?

I’ve been with my partner for 8 years (not married). We have two children, 1 and 4. And a mortgage. He is a great dad (and I mean this - much more present, sensitive) and does at least 50% of the housework, if not more.

But, I’m getting increasingly angry and frustrated at our finances and how id like more money for holidays and to save!

I work 30 hours a week in a professional job that earns a £32k salary. He is self-employed in a creative role, and I’m never exactly sure how much he earns a month/year because “it’s not that simple” and it also fluctuates quite a bit… and he needs to keep money in the business for expenses, tax etc so his clear take home income is not that transparent. And it’s difficult for me to challenge big purchases when he says they’re needed for my business.

His parents have always been terrible at managing money and as such he has huge anxiety about talking about money.

When we bought our house i got him to agree to a joint account, and we agreed to work out how much our bills and reasonable other spending would be, and split it in proportion to our earnings. And keep the rest in our own accounts. I agreed to do this on his worst case scenario month. Basically I paid 2/3 and he paid 1/3.

Then he got frustrated that he had v little disposable income, and I agreed (in a v stressful emotional conversation) to splitting it so that we instead have the same amount of disposable income each left. So I now pay more than 2x what he pays - so I pay £1250 a month, and he pays £450.

This is never really enough to pay for incidental stuff though, like Xmas and birthdays and new shoes for the children, new furniture for the house etc so I normally pay for these out of my own leftover money.

I’m getting increasingly frustrated that:
a) I’ve trained to be in a seemingly well-paid job but can’t really afford luxuries or to save anything for a holiday or the future, because he doesn’t earn enough money. Am I unreasonable that I want him to be a better business person and earn more money, even though he’s very good at what he does?
b) that he won’t be really transparent with me about his financial situation - for example, I paid off his overdraft when I came into some money that I later used for our house deposit, and then we went on a uk holiday and he went substantially back into his overdraft on the basis that I’d said it would be nice to go for lunch and other things, without knowing that would be the outcome, because he can’t talk about it because it stresses him out so much. If I’d known we could have changed to cheaper plans.

Does anyone have any advice about how I can help us be more organised and transparent with our finances so we can be more in control - especially with someone who has an anxious history with money? I’m never quite sure if it’s that we don’t have enough money or if it feels out of my control?

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Readytopop2022x · 03/03/2022 12:54

I'm finding it hard to understand how he can be a business owner, yet he finds discussing money stressful. It just doesn't make any sense OP. But yes, definitely have an open and honest conversation about it, stand your ground and let him know it's not ok anymore and he can't keep sticking his head in the stand.

Teateaandmoretea · 03/03/2022 12:55

I think he earns more than he is claiming to.

WizardOfAus · 03/03/2022 12:56

[quote Lookingforphev]@TheRealityCheque this isn't about what sex someone is. If your business does not make enough money to pay you a decent wage and your partner isn't happy or can't plug the gaps then you need to accept the business doesn't work.

Adults have financial responsibilities. You can't just say "oh my partner can fill the gap, while I get to do what I want" and expect the partner to be happy about it.[/quote]
Precisely.

CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 12:58

@zeldaonadreamcloud typically he often puts in a little extra towards the end of each month if we’ll be short in paying a bill, but does it then when he feels comfortable that an invoice or two have been paid to him. Otherwise you’re pretty much right… I think he has quite a few monthly business expenses / repayments.

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MatildaTheCat · 03/03/2022 13:00

Very many people have a skill and start a business but actually have no business acumen whatsoever. No idea of how to manage their accounts, keep cash flow moving and have a business plan.

I’d suggest he learns these skills or gets a job.

And failure to communicate does sound very much like hiding from you.

Blackberrybunnet · 03/03/2022 13:00

You earn more, you should pay more. HOWEVER ... this should be proportionate to your individual incomes, you should each have a similar % of your incomes left as disposable, not the same lump sum each. By each having the same amount as disposable income, you are paying a disproportionate amount into the running of the household. Maybe then you'd feel less hard-done by?

Hotchox · 03/03/2022 13:00

If this hasn't been said already, surely you can tackle the 'he's vague about how much he earns' issue by looking through his accounts/tax return situation, and compare yearly net income? If he's unwilling to even let you see that you've got a problem, but if he's happy to show you the details, you can do the comparison and planning you want. Separately - the issue of 'he doesn't earn enough', well, I am struggling to see a bloke writing that sort of thing about a female partner on here and not getting told to go to hell, so that needs looking at very differently. I'm pretty sure a woman is allowed to out-earn her partner these days (Smile), but if the income disparity is great enough it's going to be a problem down the line, then maybe set some targets for how he needs to build his business, and if he doesn't meet that, he needs to figure out something to supplement his side of the family income? good luck!!

CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 13:01

@Readytopop2022x thank you. I think I will. I’ll start by asking to review his latest accounts to see if we can adjust the balance of contributions. The last figures were based on a mid-lockdown worst case scenario.

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Teateaandmoretea · 03/03/2022 13:01

He also needs to make sure he has money to pay tax bills. I don't buy all this 'creative freelancers are low paid'. My husband's one and he earns very well. He likes to retain money in his business, partly for good reasons like paying the tax man and partly because it means it can't be spent.

CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 13:02

Thanks @Hotchox I totally agree.

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Oblomov22 · 03/03/2022 13:02

WTF? He only earns £10k? Then his job isn't a proper job, it's a sideline isn't it? Tell him to go and get a proper job.

Plus like others have said you have deeper issues if you can't communicate about money and you need to address that too.

Teateaandmoretea · 03/03/2022 13:03

The last figures were based on a mid-lockdown worst case scenario.

I bet they were. My husband only discusses money when he's going through a bad patch. If all is good then slience.....

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 03/03/2022 13:03

Would he be better off starting a company and paying himself a wage? So he knows what coming in, and it’s separate from “what needs to stay in the business”?

Things would be more delineated and less vague

Oblomov22 · 03/03/2022 13:05

"The tricky bit would be agreeing how much he needs to hold on to for his tax and expenses, where this is calculated at the end of the year."

Err no, it's not. You work it out monthly. You know what your income is for the month, what your expenses are. So you can work out your profit for each of the 12 months as you go along. So you then can work out how much you need to put away each month, for your tax return. Easy.

CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 13:05

@Blackberrybunnet maybe I can him back to this position. It’s since we swapped to having the same amount left over that I’ve felt more resentful. I quite like having my own money to spend without consultation, so long as the joint expenses cover the essentials and some unanticipated bits too.

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CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 13:07

@Oblomov22 you’re right. Thanks. I think he’d be horrified if I spelled it out but there’s some gaslighting going on. It’s implied that I couldn’t understand a bit… which is obviously rubbish.

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CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 13:08

@Teateaandmoretea I feel this!! Blindly obvious when someone points it out.

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youvegottenminuteslynn · 03/03/2022 13:09

The tricky bit would be agreeing how much he needs to hold on to for his tax and expenses, where this is calculated at the end of the year.

All self employed people have to do this, whether they are good with money or not. It's necessary.

He simply needs to always, without fail, set aside 20% of his self employed income for tax. Separate account that is used just for that so there are no surprises when it's time to pay his tax bill.

If he wants to be self employed / run a business, he needs to act accordingly when jt comes to finances and plan ahead.

If he doesn't feel able to do so or doesn't want to, he needs to get a salaried job and let someone else worry about tax deductions at source.

VanGoghsDog · 03/03/2022 13:10

Yeah, don't marry him.

CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 13:10

@GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing we’ve discussed this but then he’d have to charge VAT to his clients I think?

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CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 13:11

@GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing except he wouldn’t meet the turnover threshold actually…

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youvegottenminuteslynn · 03/03/2022 13:12

[quote CafeNervosa]@GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing we’ve discussed this but then he’d have to charge VAT to his clients I think?[/quote]
Only if he chooses to voluntarily register for VAT or his turnover is over the VAT threshold which he's currently about £70k+ under.

Concestor · 03/03/2022 13:14

I think if the sexes in this were reversed the answers would be very different.

He does the school drop offs and pick ups, and half the housework, so he's basically the part timer in the relationship, like so many women.

I'm in a similar situation. I earn around 10k working around the children. I do all school runs, most of the housework, all the school admin, etc.

If my husband insisted I need to earn more money I'd be pissed off! I could only earn more if we paid for before and after school care and he took over more of the admin.

I do agree he needs to be open about his finances though. My OH doesn't really know what I earn because he doesn't ask and my hours change (I'm a contractor) but all my earnings go into the joint account as do his. We then each get a monthly allowance of £190 for personal spending, and for both of us most of it goes back into joint funds as we struggle financially too. OH earns 50k and we still find it hard to afford holidays and extras.

So I think:
He does need to be open about his earnings
But also you need to reframe how you view him as he contributes a lot by being the default childcarer, and if the sexes were reversed you would be getting a roasting for not valuing that.

CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 13:15

“ My partner and I have one joint account with multiple branches filtered off for tax (we are both self-employed), mortgage payments, holiday savings, bills etc. Then we send personal spending money out from that joint account into our personal accounts each month.”

@joliefolle this is a really interesting model. I wonder if we could realign to this… over time…!

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