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AIBU to want my OH to earn more money?

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CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 11:27

AIBU?

I’ve been with my partner for 8 years (not married). We have two children, 1 and 4. And a mortgage. He is a great dad (and I mean this - much more present, sensitive) and does at least 50% of the housework, if not more.

But, I’m getting increasingly angry and frustrated at our finances and how id like more money for holidays and to save!

I work 30 hours a week in a professional job that earns a £32k salary. He is self-employed in a creative role, and I’m never exactly sure how much he earns a month/year because “it’s not that simple” and it also fluctuates quite a bit… and he needs to keep money in the business for expenses, tax etc so his clear take home income is not that transparent. And it’s difficult for me to challenge big purchases when he says they’re needed for my business.

His parents have always been terrible at managing money and as such he has huge anxiety about talking about money.

When we bought our house i got him to agree to a joint account, and we agreed to work out how much our bills and reasonable other spending would be, and split it in proportion to our earnings. And keep the rest in our own accounts. I agreed to do this on his worst case scenario month. Basically I paid 2/3 and he paid 1/3.

Then he got frustrated that he had v little disposable income, and I agreed (in a v stressful emotional conversation) to splitting it so that we instead have the same amount of disposable income each left. So I now pay more than 2x what he pays - so I pay £1250 a month, and he pays £450.

This is never really enough to pay for incidental stuff though, like Xmas and birthdays and new shoes for the children, new furniture for the house etc so I normally pay for these out of my own leftover money.

I’m getting increasingly frustrated that:
a) I’ve trained to be in a seemingly well-paid job but can’t really afford luxuries or to save anything for a holiday or the future, because he doesn’t earn enough money. Am I unreasonable that I want him to be a better business person and earn more money, even though he’s very good at what he does?
b) that he won’t be really transparent with me about his financial situation - for example, I paid off his overdraft when I came into some money that I later used for our house deposit, and then we went on a uk holiday and he went substantially back into his overdraft on the basis that I’d said it would be nice to go for lunch and other things, without knowing that would be the outcome, because he can’t talk about it because it stresses him out so much. If I’d known we could have changed to cheaper plans.

Does anyone have any advice about how I can help us be more organised and transparent with our finances so we can be more in control - especially with someone who has an anxious history with money? I’m never quite sure if it’s that we don’t have enough money or if it feels out of my control?

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CognitiveDissolver · 03/03/2022 11:52

Then he got frustrated that he had v little disposable income, and I agreed (in a v stressful emotional conversation) to splitting it so that we instead have the same amount of disposable income each left. So I now pay more than 2x what he pays - so I pay £1250 a month, and he pays £450.

So proportionately he pays 36% of what you pay, so that means he would be earning £11, 520 per annum. Have I got those figures right?

If he is earning more than 11k then he should be paying more. And quite frankly if as an adult all he can pay towards his own upkeep is £450 a month, he is taking the P and you are subsidising him.

It sounds like he's full of nonsense about pretty major things in life, such as working for a living and paying his own way, and he is holding you back.

I suspect he isn't being transparent because he earns more than that but spends it on himself.

Therealjudgejudy · 03/03/2022 11:54

@lockdownalli

Completely agree with you.

He is using being nervous about money as a way to gaslight you. Not on. Full transparency is needed. He is totally mugging you off

CognitiveDissolver · 03/03/2022 11:56

TheRealityCheck this man isn't even contributing enough to support himself, never mind his family.

Where in the country could you find a rented room for £450 per month, all utility bills and council tax included, along with food?

LampLighter414 · 03/03/2022 11:59

I would be asking to see either his personal tax returns/company filings or getting a summary from his accountant.

I wouldn't be able to be with a flakey, secretive partner like this. At the very least you should get an idea of what his earnings/profit has been the last few years. And if that doesn't seem to align with his small contribution to the household I would be wanting to know what else he is spending money on.

Certainly wouldn't be wanting to marry and so have even more combined finances without this information.

Namechangeroo1234 · 03/03/2022 12:06

You just need to have it out with him. Don't take smoke and mirrors for answer. He need becomes an adult about it.
Me and DH use YNAB. It's brilliant.

EuphoriaHigh · 03/03/2022 12:06

I don’t think it’s how much he earns that’s the issue, he’s not being transparent about it. Does he have an accountant? I would be booking an appointment with one to go through everything and tidy up his books in a way you can understand so you can see exactly what he’s earning every month and how much needs to stay in the business.

50DaysAF · 03/03/2022 12:07

So is he working full time?

If he is only able to contribute £450 a month then it feels like it’s time to call self-employment a day and go get a job that pays a full time wage.

Booboobibles · 03/03/2022 12:14

He’s financially abusing you but being very pleasant about it.

I say that as the type of person who’s pretty rubbish at making money (I’m neurodivergent though). I’m great at organising my budget, running the house in the style of a 1950’s housewife but making money is a problem because of mental health problems. I’m single so it doesn’t affect anyone currently, but there is no way that I would not talk about money. Ignoring your financial situation just causes more worry and it’s totally unfair of him to not discuss money with you when he’s earning so little. He shouldn’t be making large purchases for a business that isn’t working.

If I was in your situation, I’d give him an ultimatum. He needs to make at least £1,000 a month and I would do all the money management. Equal pocket money but if he doesn’t earn enough then he has less.

Lampface · 03/03/2022 12:16

YANBU, I was in a similar situation - me earning more, DP on a floaty creative career that wasn't earning much.

We had a sit down conversation the other day and now she has a full time job earning well (she is loved by the organisations she worked with before so found work incredibly quickly!). Ultimately you can't expect to do it all and he really shouldn't be leaving you in the lurch with it. It's just not fair.

GirlOfTudor · 03/03/2022 12:17

How is it difficult to tell you how much he earns? If it fluctuates, then he can tell you how much it is each month.
As he's paying approximately ⅓ of what you are, I can only assume he's earning approximately £10,000? If that's for full time work, then it's pretty appalling and clearly the business isn't working out.
He needs to be more clear about his earnings, possibly getting a proper job that pays at least minimum wage and paying his way.

Jvg33 · 03/03/2022 12:20

You need to be his business and finance manager. It is very clear. You need to book his gigs. For example if he was a wedding photographer or whatever he does. He can't have two children and his own house paying that little a month.

Mimijamroll · 03/03/2022 12:21

I would agree with others, he needs another job on the side.
To say its not that simple is BS really. It is in fact pretty straightforward, how much does he Pay?

CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 12:22

@Shoxfordian I like the idea of this. It would be painful to implement.. but I’d hope that the more regularly we talked the easier it would be.

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arethereanyleftatall · 03/03/2022 12:22

Omg op, this isn't good at all. It is very possible that he's taking you for a ride. Who knows? You don't, we don't.
It is completely unacceptable to put so little in to a family, and then say you're 'too anxious' to talk about it. Tough shit. There is no way on gods Green Earth I would tolerate this. He must fill in a tax return surely? What does that say? And, if he won't let you see it, then that's a bigger problem than not going on holiday.

SpiderinaWingMirror · 03/03/2022 12:24

It's not unreasonable for you to know what his true income is.
He must "close" each year, with a final income and account for tax etc. Is it a limited company?

RedskyThisNight · 03/03/2022 12:24

I agree the lack of transparency is the first concern.

Does he work full time? Or does he pick up a lot of childcare? If he's doing a lot of childcare, it's perfectly reasonable that he is earning less, but clearly if you can't afford this as a family, you may need to revisit.

lborgia · 03/03/2022 12:24

I think you need to give him a couple of options.

1 - Either you both open up your finances to each other even if that means ending up with him having to get a "proper" job. Or

2 - you will insist on counselling to sort out how you communicate and the impact of his family history. Which may lead back to 1!

For once, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. I used to be terrible talking about money, because I had so little and got myself in a real mess. Once I started opening up, it got SO much easier.

OTOH, he's probably gaslighting, and trying to have his creative cake and eat it too.

CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 12:26

@GirlOfTudor I’m sure he earns more than £10k. It’s clouded by money he needs to put aside for investment in his business. And he works essentially the same number of hours I do, so 30. But his time is more interrupted by childcare pick ups and has been more variable because of preschools being closed due to covid etc.

It’s been really helpful reading all of your posts because it really is becoming more clear that our issue is communication.

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SoupGiveMeSoup · 03/03/2022 12:26

Surely he fills out a self assessment for his tax etc so he must know what he has earned every year. Dh was self employed, I knew what his day rate was and his end of year tax returns even though that part was done through an accountant because we are open and honest about finances.

Your partner has a financial responsibility to you and his children. He cannot simply say he doesn't know what he is earning because he is charging for his work so he does know but he doesn't want to tell you.

He needs to get over the finding it stressful, maybe counselling would help with his reluctance.

Ragruggers · 03/03/2022 12:27

I imagine his business is not very profitable so he is not wanting to discuss it with you.Have you seen the paperwork,is there much capital?He needs to be honest if he is not earning enough he needs to find a job and earn enough to pay his share.this won’t end well you will become more frustrated as time goes on.Just because his parents are not good with money is just an excuse.

Iamnotamermaid · 03/03/2022 12:28

Is the business registered? Can you check on companies house for financial records?

Someone who is self employed needs to have a strong handle on finances, you cannot be shy or have anxiety about money unless of course you are hiding something. If he is not making money what he is doing is enjoying a hobby.

SoupGiveMeSoup · 03/03/2022 12:28

Also Dh and I have always had a yearly financial meeting where we look at what we have spent and are we okay with that. Also planning for the next year ie the house or holidays or just the children costing more as they get taller and older. However, there is no reprimands for any spending more a focus on in future we will limit spending on that rather than I cannot believe you spent X on Y.

findingsomeone · 03/03/2022 12:29

Agree that his lack of transparency is the issue. He has an idea of what he makes each month, question is why he doesn't know or isn't sharing what that is? Less of an issue if you have surplus cash between you, but it doesn't sound like you do.

At least he should be sharing his tax returns and the income he is declaring to HMRC. And then where that is going. It's ridiculous for you to be putting such a big proportion of money into funding things though, if he is working full time. He would probably be better doing another job that's employed.

SarahBellam · 03/03/2022 12:29

He doesn’t have a job. He has a hobby and it doesn’t even cover his costs. If you were both happy with that then great - the problem is that it’s imposing constraints on your relatively modest lifestyle. Yes, you do need a conversation about transparency of his finances, and the need for him to make a meaningful contribution and stop relying on you to pick up the slack. At the moment he sounds like a cocklodger who’s managed to get someone else to fund his lifestyle.

findingsomeone · 03/03/2022 12:32

DH and I were talking recently about careers. He would love to retrain. But it would be a massive financial drain for no benefit salary wise. He doesn't hate his current job, and until he would try the new one he can't guarantee that he would love that one. On balance, at this point in our lives, it's absolutely not worth the cost. What I'm getting at is that great if your partner likes his business and it brings in the cash you need, but it sounds suspiciously like it might not, and that he is hiding that. I can imagine it's hard to go from self employed to employed, but this is about the whole family and not your partner as an individual.