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AIBU to want my OH to earn more money?

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CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 11:27

AIBU?

I’ve been with my partner for 8 years (not married). We have two children, 1 and 4. And a mortgage. He is a great dad (and I mean this - much more present, sensitive) and does at least 50% of the housework, if not more.

But, I’m getting increasingly angry and frustrated at our finances and how id like more money for holidays and to save!

I work 30 hours a week in a professional job that earns a £32k salary. He is self-employed in a creative role, and I’m never exactly sure how much he earns a month/year because “it’s not that simple” and it also fluctuates quite a bit… and he needs to keep money in the business for expenses, tax etc so his clear take home income is not that transparent. And it’s difficult for me to challenge big purchases when he says they’re needed for my business.

His parents have always been terrible at managing money and as such he has huge anxiety about talking about money.

When we bought our house i got him to agree to a joint account, and we agreed to work out how much our bills and reasonable other spending would be, and split it in proportion to our earnings. And keep the rest in our own accounts. I agreed to do this on his worst case scenario month. Basically I paid 2/3 and he paid 1/3.

Then he got frustrated that he had v little disposable income, and I agreed (in a v stressful emotional conversation) to splitting it so that we instead have the same amount of disposable income each left. So I now pay more than 2x what he pays - so I pay £1250 a month, and he pays £450.

This is never really enough to pay for incidental stuff though, like Xmas and birthdays and new shoes for the children, new furniture for the house etc so I normally pay for these out of my own leftover money.

I’m getting increasingly frustrated that:
a) I’ve trained to be in a seemingly well-paid job but can’t really afford luxuries or to save anything for a holiday or the future, because he doesn’t earn enough money. Am I unreasonable that I want him to be a better business person and earn more money, even though he’s very good at what he does?
b) that he won’t be really transparent with me about his financial situation - for example, I paid off his overdraft when I came into some money that I later used for our house deposit, and then we went on a uk holiday and he went substantially back into his overdraft on the basis that I’d said it would be nice to go for lunch and other things, without knowing that would be the outcome, because he can’t talk about it because it stresses him out so much. If I’d known we could have changed to cheaper plans.

Does anyone have any advice about how I can help us be more organised and transparent with our finances so we can be more in control - especially with someone who has an anxious history with money? I’m never quite sure if it’s that we don’t have enough money or if it feels out of my control?

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joliefolle · 03/03/2022 12:33

He needs to put all his income into the joint account with a monthly payment out of that into his personal account for personal spending. It is unreasonble for you to be paying 2/3 for everything, paying off his overdraft and topping up the extras for the kids because there's not enough left over and not being 100% on why that is the case.

Which account is the money he is setting aside for investment in his business going into? A business account, not his personal account. You should have at least viewing access to that too - either you are in this together (which is why you're ok with paying the lion's share), or you're not. If you're in this together then open up your finances.

Landedonfeet · 03/03/2022 12:34

He’s not a great dad

He failing to support you, their mother

CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 12:34

Thank you for all your replies. I’ve been wanting to post for a while but wasn’t sure - but you’re all so helpful!!

I genuinely think that his intentions are good btw. I think he has an anxious urge to be protective over his money, and because im open about what is in my current account and credit card and csavings, and he knows what’s in his - he probably thinks we’re open because he has all the real time information. I think my issue is not having sight of everything.

I’m going to start I think by suggesting that we have a weekly ‘check in’ on where we report on income and spending we need to make in the next week.

Im quite jealous of the freedom he has to earn a basic amount but then explore other ventures… he is highly skilled with a basic core of work but I think just doesn’t always make good business decisions when trying to expand.

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Easterbunnyiswindowshopping · 03/03/2022 12:35

Ime do not marry him. It is a strain on a marriage being married to a man who can't manage his own business /money. Causes massive resentment and lack of sex drive due to lack of respect.
Ime.

Thatsplentyjack · 03/03/2022 12:35

How can he not know how much he's earning? Surely he does a tax return every year and has a rough idea of his monthly income?
What's his job?

wouldthatbeworse · 03/03/2022 12:36

He probably in part wont talk about it because he is ashamed of being a lower earner. The pressure to earn more won’t help him open up.

But I sympathise with your frustrations. You do need to understand if he is being frivolous or just has less to start.

CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 12:39

@joliefolle part of me wants us to just put everything into one account and agree a shared savings percentage together. We don’t often make individual purchases that aren’t shared - with the exception of clothes, but neither of us are extravagant.

The tricky bit would be agreeing how much he needs to hold on to for his tax and expenses, where this is calculated at the end of the year.

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CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 12:40

@wouldthatbeworse I think this is lots of it too. He isn’t satisfied with his business as it is and is always working to expand it, but so far it just hasn’t come off… (covid didn’t help probably)

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zeldaonadreamcloud · 03/03/2022 12:40

As others have said, there are two issues, one of which is his lack of transparency. If he wants pooled finances ( which are subsidising him basically) he needs to be completely honest and upfront about his earnings.

And if he is only paying you £450 per month he is living very cheaply. Your split of finances (you pay two thirds based on you earning two thirds of the income) would suggest he is only earning about £15,000 per year, which is a very low income. But even then he is only paying you £5,400 per year in living expense which leaves him almost 10k per year personal spending money, or about £800 per month. It does not sound like you have this much spending money free each month OP.

In fact, it sounds like he is ripping you off, and possibly building up his savings whilst you pay for everything. 'Incidental expenses' should be both your expenses.

zeldaonadreamcloud · 03/03/2022 12:40

In fact, you may find you are better off if you kick him out.

london111 · 03/03/2022 12:41

If not a ltd company with formal accounts, he will still have to complete an annual self-assessment form for HMRC for tax purposes. I would start there and have a look at the last few years.

Motnight · 03/03/2022 12:42

As others have said it is the lack of transparency that is the issue.

My dh freelances. Every month we have a brief conversation about how much he is expecting to earn. If it is less than usual, he puts less money into the joint account, and I make up the difference. If it is more than usual, he puts more money in. It is really simple.

CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 12:43

@Easterbunnyiswindowshopping This resonates. Thank you.

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EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 03/03/2022 12:43

I agree with anyone who indicates he's not being wholly transparent with you about the finances and what he's earning.

There are so many red flags waving here it's like a Macy's Parade for Warnings.

joliefolle · 03/03/2022 12:44

@CafeNervosa - can you not look at past records and work out how much that should be? Or you could book a session with an accountant. Agree a % to be set aside for the forthcoming tax year (which is about to start) and review.

My partner and I have one joint account with multiple branches filtered off for tax (we are both self-employed), mortgage payments, holiday savings, bills etc. Then we send personal spending money out from that joint account into our personal accounts each month.

PeasAndFlour · 03/03/2022 12:44

OP I almost feel like I know you, I know so many couples with similar work situations. Earning money when you’re a creative is hard, definitely. Perhaps your partner needs to “up his business game” rather than waste time getting a job that he’s unsuited to and which won’t pay much either. Maybe some kind of business course or mentoring would help. Side hustles are good, they bring in a little extra. Start slowly, no massive changes all at once. You and your partner will work something out.

CallMeDaddy58 · 03/03/2022 12:45

This could be resolved very easily with an accountant. My husband is self employed & his income is unpredictable. Our accountant essentially tells us how much my husband can afford to pay himself each month whilst leaving enough aside for tax, leaving money in the business, dealing with expenses etc.

Asking him to earn more money likely isn’t the answer. He needs to manage his money better. If he can’t do that he needs an accountant. Also, tough shit if talking about finances makes him anxious. He’ll only end up in the position his parents were in if he continues to bury his head in the sand.

CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 12:47

@Motnight this is what I’d like. I have no expectations of being supported by a man with a big salary. I’d just like to feel respected and trusted with his financial information.

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Movingonup22 · 03/03/2022 12:47

I really don’t think his intentions are good sorry to say OP.

He is all about protecting his own interests and you are working to subsidize his lifestyle (and probably his savings).

mewkins · 03/03/2022 12:47

I think there are many issues here. But yes he does need to be totally honest about whether his business is viable. And if you want to stay in the this I think you may have to support him to accept that it may be time to focus on getting a salaried job or, I guess, you going full time and him accepting that the childcare etc falls to him more. I would be pissed off too. You can't plan anything without knowing about his debts and income etc.

TheOccupier · 03/03/2022 12:49

Don't marry this guy, and if you want to stay together, take control of all finances.

In terms of understanding his actual income, surely he does a tax return/calculation - you should ask to see these. I wouldn't be surprised if he's earning a lot more than you think.

Disneyblueeyes · 03/03/2022 12:50

The first problem is the lack of communication. You need to know exactly what's happening with his finances. It's unfair on you otherwise.

Lack of openness around finances can lead to a lot of problems long term.

LuckySantangelo35 · 03/03/2022 12:51

OP you work hard in a professional job that you’ve trained for etc, it’s not too much to ask to have some money for luxuries like eating out and holidays. I’ve worked hard as well to get where I am with my job and if all my graft meant I couldn’t go on hol or meals out or whatever other treats I’d be so pissed off and frankly wouldn’t stand for it

CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 12:51

Btw to clarify - he definitely isn’t gambling, taking drugs, or having an affair… It’s anxiety leading to poor management and probably just that in the early days I offered to support more so he’s taking that for granted and maybe has forgotten the privilege he has. It’s just with kids the margins are squeezed.

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CafeNervosa · 03/03/2022 12:53

@LuckySantangelo35 thank you for saying this. I made a decision to be less creative and more professional in my career so I might have the opportunity to afford more fun stuff!! I feel bad feeling I might be entitled to that because I know I’m also fortunate and some people I know have to manage day to day.

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