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Pre-teen daughter suddenly identifying as 'non binary'.

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PatButchersEarring · 27/02/2022 17:41

Such a first world problem, particularly in light of recent world events, but our pre-teen (12 year old) daughter has recently decided that she's non binary, has asked us to call her by a different name and refer to her as they/them.

It is all out of the blue. Up until 1 year or so ago, she was 'tom boy' ish, but generally happy in her own skin. Before this, quite typically 'girly', in the way little girls often are. I would add though, we are aware of gender stereotyping and have always actively sought to make her aware that gender stereotypes are no more than just that.

Now, we have discovered she is self harming and wants to be known by a different (non gendered) name with neutral pronouns etc.

Several of her same age friends are also identifying as the opposite gender from their biological sex. One of her female friends is declaring herself to be a 'gay male' i.e. her biologically female friend identifies as a boy and is attracted to boys. 'He' has already had several (non official) name changes.

Parents of aforementioned children seem to be in support of this.

Maybe I'm a dinosaur, but my stance is that if you're not comfortable with your 'gender' then it's the perceived gender roles which need to be changed, not the person's identity.

I don't know what to do for the best. Why oh why is this even an issue for a child who has not even gone through puberty?

I really hope this is just a phase. Is it a fashion? The new rebellion? 2022's equivalent of smoking behind the bike sheds?

Anyone else been through this? We have sought counselling for her BTW, specifically in light of the self harm.

Sorry- not really an AIBU.

OP posts:
Momicrone · 27/02/2022 17:43

Just support her/them, I'm not sure puberty is relevant.

unvillage · 27/02/2022 17:44

Support them.

Momicrone · 27/02/2022 17:46

I'm sure it's not 'sudden', and it is in no way similar to smoking

Clymene · 27/02/2022 17:47

It's social contagion. The number of girls not identifying as girls has risen 4000% in recent years.

Stop her internet access. Get her urgent mental health support.

Hollyhead · 27/02/2022 17:48

Tell her everyone is non binary because gender is a social construct and to stop thinking she’s so special.

Bearinatree · 27/02/2022 17:49

There are many of us in this position. I’d recommend having a look at transgender trend, and Genspect for starters.

tiredanddangerous · 27/02/2022 17:49

It's very much the trend of the moment op. I work in a secondary school and it's becoming increasingly common; someone comes out as non-binary then the rest of their friendship group follow suit.

Lottapianos · 27/02/2022 17:50

'Maybe I'm a dinosaur, but my stance is that if you're not comfortable with your 'gender' then it's the perceived gender roles which need to be changed, not the person's identity.'

You're not a dinosaur, you're entirely sensible. Counselling sounds like a good plan in view of self harming. The rest I would try to ignore and play down as much as possible. It's a social contagion, and most likely a phase. Restrict her internet time and if possible, get her into a real life hobby that she enjoys. I'm sorry you're dealing with this but you sound very loving and level headed

Momicrone · 27/02/2022 17:50

'Urgent mental health support', where does one get that then?!

Quantity5 · 27/02/2022 17:50

It is a trend and it is influenced by peer pressure. That is what makes it hard as while those feelings persist in some cases in others they do not. I spent years believing I should have been born a boy though really didn’t want the change of becoming a woman, the sexist shite and restrictions of being a girl. Thank goodness I was given time to work that out.

PonyPatter44 · 27/02/2022 17:51

I would call her by the name she wants, and let her dress how she wants, but I wouldn't be going along with anything about "changing sex", and I certainly wouldn't be playing along indulging a girl who says she's a gay boy.

In what situation would you use "they/them" in your daughter's hearing?

Momicrone · 27/02/2022 17:52

Maybe she/he/they will turn out to be very happy and healthy and fulfilled, it's not all doom and gloom.

CoalCraft · 27/02/2022 17:54

I feel the self harming is a far bigger issue than the gender confusion and I'm surprised you didn't lead with that.

It may very well be a phase that you'll both look back on and laugh about in a few years. Or it may be real. For now, be accepting and supportive and seek professional help for the self harming.

Onlyforcake · 27/02/2022 17:54

"playing along" or you could call it affording respect.

Beamur · 27/02/2022 17:55

There's a lot of this going on in high schools. It's not entirely benign and the fact that she's self harming must be worrying.
Keep talking to her, puberty is very loaded with identity politics at the moment. Be mindful of what she's looking at online as there are some adult themes to the areas she may be looking for information about.
Do support her, but be slightly wary of affirmation without questions. It's very much the prevailing attitude to support and affirm, but not all the evidence in terms of mental health unequivocally agrees with this. Hopefully the counselling will help her navigate this.

Momicrone · 27/02/2022 17:55

I agree, the self harm is more worrying

xxxsuper · 27/02/2022 17:56

@Clymene

It's social contagion. The number of girls not identifying as girls has risen 4000% in recent years.

Stop her internet access. Get her urgent mental health support.

Unfortunately any mental health support would simply reinforce her ideas.

MissyB1 · 27/02/2022 17:56

@Hollyhead

Tell her everyone is non binary because gender is a social construct and to stop thinking she’s so special.
Absolutely this! She thinks she’s in with the latest trend. I would smile, nod, and gently burst her bubble.

A couple of girls in ds year made similar dramatic announcements - but at school. All the other kids rolled their eyes and ignored it.

TheMagpie · 27/02/2022 17:57

What they need more than your judgement, is mental health services to address the self harming.

VelvetChairGirl · 27/02/2022 17:58

You need to monitor what she's looking at online, sounds like they are all getting brainwashed.

identifying as a gay man when your a straight female is just insulting to gay men.

Momicrone · 27/02/2022 18:00

Why does she need her bubble burst? , isn't she allowed to feel how she does, that is so patronising, can't she work this out for herself?

Mirrorball2022 · 27/02/2022 18:01

I work with teenagers and it seems to be a trend in high school age young people. Various labels and sexuality preferences that change frequently for some.

I’m not saying that some young people have real concerns and thoughts about their genders/ preferences etc but it does seem to be discussed amongst friendship groups much more than even 5 years ago. I’m
Not convinced all of these young people are all the labels they proclaim to be.

Momicrone · 27/02/2022 18:05

No they're not, but so what?

TidyDancer · 27/02/2022 18:07

You may want to read Irreversible Damage by Abigail Shrier. It goes into some detail about this particular social contagion. It's quite the trend these days which your DD is almost certain to snap out of.

Lamujere · 27/02/2022 18:08

I really feel for you. My 14 year old neice is the same. Actually, she's not my niece she's my cousins daughter but I think of her that way. It's incredibly frustrating and worrying. I would say support her, indulge it for now but do not let her go down the medical route. She will come out of this but it makes me angry that this is being propagated as a good thing. My own theory is that this is girls responding to the pressure to be 'perfect', pouty kardashian types. At 14 that would have terrified me. I'm so so sorry. Stay strong.