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Eating out alone as a woman

236 replies

Chocolattay · 21/02/2022 00:35

I’m not judging anybody who eats out alone, I think it should be normal and the stigma is pathetic. But people on Mumsnet only speak positively about it. I had a terrible experience of it and surely it can’t have been unique to me, as the stigma exists. Or is it really me?

I was in London for an important appointment a few years ago, and I had the whole day to kill. It was my first time ever in London and I didn’t want to settle for a crap Big Mac or Burger King for lunch when I could have that at home, so I went to a hippy bohemian bistro type place in SoHo. I had to talk myself into it. I’d eventually convinced myself it’d be fine and thought they probably got loads of business people in alone anyway. But it was fucking awful. Even though I had specifically said table for 1, they didn’t seem to grasp that. I was waiting an hour just to order a drink. I’d make eye contact with the waiter but he’d just smile awkwardly. Eventually I spoke up and asked to order when he was rushing past. He asked if I was waiting for anybody. I said no. He looked like he’d seen a ghost ffs. He was actually quite rude to me in the service afterwards, and blunt. As if he’d decided there must be something wrong with me for me to be alone. It was horrible.

I vowed never to do it again. Weirdly enough I’ve done it a couple of times post-baby with baby in tow and haven’t felt awkward at all. It’s like the mere presence of a pram is going to be proof to people that I can’t be that weird if somebody has had a baby with me, therefore I’m ‘allowed’ to eat out alone.

DH does it regularly though and says nobody has ever battered an eyelid, which makes me wonder if it’s a gender/misogyny thing. It’s fine for men to enjoy their own company but women should always have a group of ‘girls’ to chat with? Is that what it is? Or am I massively overthinking it?

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BlueSoul · 21/02/2022 00:38

I've done it loads of times and it has been fine. I think perhaps you just had a bad experience.

Bienvenidos · 21/02/2022 00:38

I think you’re over thinking it and just had a wanker waiter. I eat alone loads, business reasons, and don’t have an issue…

Chocolattay · 21/02/2022 00:39

Also just to clarify I’m not stating I believe women should only be out with friends. I’m just trying to work out if that’s a societal belief.

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JanisMoplin · 21/02/2022 00:39

You are massively overthinking. I eat out alone in London almost daily. Vowing never to eat alone because one waiter overlooked you is really overreacting.

Chocolattay · 21/02/2022 00:41

Interesting responses, I probably was overreacting. Maybe the waiter was new or something. The experience stuck with me though. It was years ago

I deffo think there’s a stereotype though that it’s normal for men to like their own company but weird for women to do stuff alone.

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narcdad · 21/02/2022 00:42

I think you needed to be more assertive! You sat there for an hour making eye contact but not a actually asking to be served?

Aquamarine1029 · 21/02/2022 00:42

Come on now. You're making this sweeping decision based on one fuckwit server who clearly had zero manners, no proper training, and no common sense. Your experience is not typical.

LilacPaisley · 21/02/2022 00:42

I eat out alone loads and never encountered any issue. Maybe he looked shocked because he realised he'd been ignoring you and then was a bit abrupt because he was embarrassed.

D0lphine · 21/02/2022 00:43

I wouldn't let one experience put you off. How many times have you had bad service with other people?

Bigbus · 21/02/2022 00:43

It sounds like you were unlucky. I go to restaurants and pubs in London on my own when I have a rare day off from work and family - I like to do walks by myself and then have something to eat and drink by myself as the rest of my life is stuffed full of people (who I love of course and am very lucky to have - I just need a break sometimes!). I’ve never been aware of any judgement. I usually take a book or a newspaper though and maybe I’ve got good at picking where to go. I hope you feel able to try again sometime and that you have a better experience next time.

Ra12345 · 21/02/2022 00:43

Hard disagree. You had one bad experience. It is not representive. I have never had this and I've eaten alone in London and abroad and everywhere else.

Louisianagumbo · 21/02/2022 00:43

I eat out on my own quite a lot for various reasons, and I have never had this, nor has anyone looked even slight askance that I'm on my own. Why did you let them keep you an hour without a drink? I've never thought nor been given reason to think by any restaurant or cafe owner that as a woman I shouldn't eat alone.

Aquamarine1029 · 21/02/2022 00:44

@narcdad

I think you needed to be more assertive! You sat there for an hour making eye contact but not a actually asking to be served?
Of course this! You just sat there like a lemon for an hour?
JanisMoplin · 21/02/2022 00:45

Some of us even - shock, horror- travel alone outside the UK in countries where men do more than look askance. Sorry but how are you still thinking about this years later?

Chocolattay · 21/02/2022 00:46

Thanks for the responses. Hmm yes probably was just unlucky I suppose. And I guess I didn’t help myself not being assertive to the waiter.

I’m not actively saying I believe misogyny is the reason behind my particular experience. But talking more generally that I think women are expected to be with friends chatting all the time. Not sure what I’m after in this thread admittedly. Baby has had me up and I’m pondering to tire myself out.

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Chocolattay · 21/02/2022 00:47

I’ve had my own friends say they couldn’t even sit in Costa alone on their lunch break, which shocks me.

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Ra12345 · 21/02/2022 00:48

Women are expected to be with friends chatting all the time? By whom, op? Who has said this to you?

HiJenny35 · 21/02/2022 00:48

Nope done it loads, love it, never had an issue in fact the opposite I usually find I get slightly better service when eating alone as the waiting staff tend to be more observant.

LorelaiDeservedBetter · 21/02/2022 00:49

I've eaten alone lots and never had the experience you had. I'm sorry it was your first time and the waiter was an arse. But, you were just unlucky.

D0lphine · 21/02/2022 00:50

I travelled alone for extended periods pre- covid. I have also worked abroad multiple times.

I've eaten out, visited tourist attractions, cinema, night clubs, bars, airplanes, hotels, busses, moved into flats, started new jobs. All alone.

Never had a problem. Even in the Middle East.

It was a one off.

Aquamarine1029 · 21/02/2022 00:50

But talking more generally that I think women are expected to be with friends chatting all the time.

Why would you care what's "expected" of you? By who, exactly? Confused

Seafog · 21/02/2022 00:52

I don't think I know of anyone who has ever said that women should not be doing things alone, like eating, or shopping, or watching a film.

Who are the people who have said this to you, and why do you believe them?

RockstarDotCom · 21/02/2022 00:53

I’ve done it quite a few times when I’ve been away from home for work and it’s always been fine. It sounds like you just got a bad waiter.

Porridgealert · 21/02/2022 00:53

I think women are expected to be with friends chatting all the time.

What do you base that on? Your personal belief that that's what women should do or a national poll or something. I've never heard this at all.

LorelaiDeservedBetter · 21/02/2022 00:54

@Chocolattay

I’ve had my own friends say they couldn’t even sit in Costa alone on their lunch break, which shocks me.
I'm sorry but this made me laugh. How old are these people who can't even have lunch in Costa on their own? That's quite a high level of social anxiety. I'm shocked that you know more than one person who can't cope with Costa during their lunch break yet their anxiety doesn't hamper their employment Confused