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Where is this storm then?

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malificent7 · 18/02/2022 07:32

So i am in Somerset and it is a little bit windy. Not carnage yet. Dd is at home and I've decided not to go in to work . I have done the right thing havn't i?

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Tealightsandd · 18/02/2022 19:55

@SoupDragon

(And I've "called out" posters making genuine snarky comments about London on this thread)
Yes sorry @SoupDragon I should've read the thread property before wading it. Sorry!

Separately, so sad to read about the deaths.

sanityisamyth · 18/02/2022 21:31

Storm Eunice: Big Jet TV turns plane-watching into a phenomenon www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-60434909

BearOfEasttown · 18/02/2022 23:45

It's been quite breezy round here (and still is a bit,) but not awful. (North Midlands.)

I can see it has been very bad around some places though...

I see a lot of people have suffered quite a lot, and there have been some deaths. I am also sad to see some animals have been suffering (horses, cows, sheep etc, as well as others animals like dogs, cats, birds etc.) Storm Eunice has been awful...

My post was insensitive. (Mocking people genuinely suffering and also worrying.)

I can see a lot of damage has been done, and people and animals have suffered.

So, many apologies to people. It just seemed like a storm in a teacup/media hype, (when I posted this morning,) but I can see it has been very serious and disruptive for many people.

Sorry for my insensitive comments, and sorry to anyone I offended. Flowers

MyOtherProfile · 18/02/2022 23:49

Bless you @BearOfEasttown

ClaudineClare · 18/02/2022 23:57

If only more people were willing to apologise when they get things wrong (me included probably Blush) @BearOfEasttown Flowers

Windstartingup · 19/02/2022 00:02

BearOfEasttown

Yes agree, refreshing to see an apology Smile

BearOfEasttown · 19/02/2022 00:25

Aww thanks folks... Smile I feel a bit better for posting it. I felt a bit bad this afternoon when I saw the extent of the storm, and its effects! Thanks for the nice comments. I was expecting 'i shud fukin well think so.' Hmm

I may get that yet! Shock

Furries · 19/02/2022 00:53

@BearOfEasttown - I read this thread early afternoon and was really narked by your posts, plus posts from a few other people.

I really wanted to respond to them all with some rather choice language. But decided to step away as things were getting pretty freaky in my SE red zone. I definitely don’t want to be repeating today in a hurry any time soon!

Hats off (literally 😂) to you for coming back to post that apology. Don’t get to see that too often on MN. I’ve erased the choice language from my head! Glad it wasn’t too bad where you are. Now, how handy are you? Fancy a weekend tour to help put up some fence panels?!

hellithurt · 19/02/2022 07:22

@BearOfEasttown I admire your honesty.

cafedesreves · 19/02/2022 07:48

This thread is so upsetting to read. Because something isn't affecting you doesn't mean that it isn't happening.

Down the road from me a huge tree fell onto a car as the driver was driving. Luckily it mainly hit the bonnet but he could have been killed. Another huge tree was uprooted and smashed down into a house. A neighbour's brick wall was totally destroyed and another's conservatory roof smashed. There are so many trees on the line that no trains can run.

It's really upsetting that people are so focused on negativity about London that they have lost the ability to empathise with others.

Tigersonvaseline · 19/02/2022 08:11

The problem is, anything is up for grabs in wind, a huge secure chimney stack whipped free from the wrong angle, could crash down, one slate diving the wind purchase to rip more off, a tree landing in the wrong way ,all unpredictable.

People around me did loose a roof,had a tree crashes into them.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 19/02/2022 08:35

Thank you for apologising Bear that takes courage.

You won't have been the only person thinking what you said (and indeed what others said - some of whom definitely seemed intent on purely upsetting others) and I can see why. I think it does illustrate a more general issue with weather communication, not just here but in the States and Europe.

I think the issue is two fold.

The first is that although weather modelling is in general very good - this storm was forecast extremely well long before it started forming - it does have limitations. A small tweak in starting conditions for a storm, or in the conditions as it evolves, makes an impact on what people see on the ground. It is really hard to convey that it is about probabilities. ie. How probable is a particular event. People are naturally drawn to absolutes, they need them to plan and live everyday life, but forecasting isn't absolute.

The met office attempt to do this with their warning system. As you can see - a red warning is only issued when an event is both extremely severe and extremely likely.

This is why they held off from the red in the south and SE until the early hours of yesterday. The amber warning was one below the red, but they needed to be certain as red warnings are intended to trigger the sort of actions that many, but not all, organisations took. As you can see, it is an impact matrix.

70-80 mph winds on an isolated coast don't cause the same sort of impact as the same winds in a densely populated area. So what might not seem like extreme winds, can have extreme impacts. Especially when it's very rare to have winds of that level, in inland areas, for a sustained time during the day.

The second problem is without a doubt the tabloids. They take met office and other forecasters forecasts and utterly mangle them and amplify the potential worst scenarios. Where do you go with an event like yesterday when every winter some of the tabloids scream multiple about killer storms and snowmaggedon? They are directly responsible for blunting people's response to severe weather forecasts. I feel fury at them sometimes.

I'm sorry for the essay! What I'm trying to say, is that it is no wonder many people struggled to hear the message yesterday. You won't have been alone.

Where is this storm then?
HesterShaw1 · 19/02/2022 08:54

Great post (again) OYBBK. Completely agree about people's reactions - many people also now after the past two years have an overwhelming cynicism about authority and, as they see it, their mouthpieces the media. They're even more scornful of what they see as hysteria and overreaction on social media. This is the other side of the coin from people being unable to assess risk - when actual life threatening risk comes along, it's dismissed as being whipped up by the tabloids.

The media have done a terrible number on people in this country, all in their quest for clicks.

MarshaBradyo · 19/02/2022 08:59

Yes agree good post OYBBK

Also agree with Hester we’ve had emotions ramped up for two years and also the regular snowmageddon stuff.

If we had a more measured media not intent on stirring people up for clicks then a red warning would go down better.

I also think if we hadn’t had Covid being asked to stay inside would just be a one day off

OhYouBadBadKitten · 19/02/2022 09:17

Those are very good points :)

HesterShaw1 · 19/02/2022 09:24

A friend's child was crying when she sat down for remote school because it brought back "homeschooling". I shouldn't think she was the only one. I guess it must have been so hard to believe it was only one day.

Poor kids. No more snow days! Unless there's an actual power cut.

MrsTrumpton · 19/02/2022 09:38

Thank you @BearOfEasttown, your apology is much appreciated. This thread had me raging last night so it’s good to have the calm after the storm, so to speak!

Oblomov22 · 19/02/2022 09:50

27,000 people in Cornwall without power is not good. I read that there had been 4 deaths.

HopingForMyRainbowBaby · 19/02/2022 10:07

@Threewheeler1 thank you. He made it home safe Smile

nanbread · 19/02/2022 10:13

@HesterShaw1

A friend's child was crying when she sat down for remote school because it brought back "homeschooling". I shouldn't think she was the only one. I guess it must have been so hard to believe it was only one day.

Poor kids. No more snow days! Unless there's an actual power cut.

Our school set no work and treated it like half term had started a day early.

If they had set us work we wouldn't have looked at it.

BearOfEasttown · 19/02/2022 10:44

@MrsTrumpton

Thank you *@BearOfEasttown*, your apology is much appreciated. This thread had me raging last night so it’s good to have the calm after the storm, so to speak!
@MrsTrumpton

Thank you BearOfEasttown, your apology is much appreciated. This thread had me raging last night so it’s good to have the calm after the storm, so to speak!

@OhYouBadBadKitten

Thank you for apologising Bear that takes courage.

@hellithurt

I admire your honesty Bear...

@Furries

Hats off (literally 😂) to you for coming back to post that apology. Don’t get to see that too often on MN.

😘 Thanks folks. It was the least I could do to be fair. My posts were pretty flippant and uncaring. I didn't realise how serious the storm was at the time! Hope everyone is OK now.

Inastatus · 19/02/2022 11:08

@OhYouBadBadKitten - thanks for all your hard work and for the good summary above. I think a lot of people expected to wake up to a raging storm and when they didn’t just dismissed it and started going about their day as normal. I have to say that I felt a bit like that first thing yesterday then I re-checked the forecast and came on here to remind myself that it wasn’t due to hit here until 10’ish. There was a young man in his 20’s killed near here when a tree fell on his truck. I can’t help thinking that he probably woke up wondering what all the fuss was about and thinking that he couldn’t possibly tell work he wasn’t going to be in because it wasn’t that bad 🙁

CounsellorTroi · 19/02/2022 11:10

I’ve also realised my “was that it?” Comment upthread was flippant and in bad taste and I apologise for it.

ZoeCM · 19/02/2022 14:07

People trying to avoid disasters can't win. If we hadn't been told to stay at home, we'd be (rightly) furious as I'm certain more people would have been killed. As it is, the fact that there have been 'only' a few deaths has become something to point to and say ' see we could have just gone about our business and it would have been fine, it was all a fuss over nothing'.

That's a very good point.

velvet24 · 19/02/2022 14:10

Wasnt that bad and all these schools and other places closed !

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