4 year old assembly “girls can be boys”

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Is this the norm? My childrens school had an assembly (via zoom of course) on boys can be girls and girls can be boys. The whole school attended - rising 3 year olds through to 11 year olds (nursery is part of schools here -devolved U.K. nation)

I’m so angry, this doesn’t feel age appropriate at all. I’m so angry, my 6 year old was sobbing over it and it completely took me off guard.

I’m not an anti-trans person, I have some good friends who are trans, I’ve seen the pain they’ve gone through, and I’ll always encourage sympathy and no judgement, but this seems like madness. 3 and 4 year olds barely even know what boy and girl are. These poor kids have had two year’s socialisation stolen away from them, can’t we just let them be kids for a few years?

AIBU to be cross, or is this the norm in every school?

YABU- it’s the norm
YANBU- it’s not the norm for this age group

@VioletLemon

We're you attending the assembly via Zoom (Teams more likely) ? Did you witness the words, resources used.

Have you read any of the thread?

Ddraig oh absolutely. I meant that before speaking to school it was important OP established exactly what was covered as a child's interpretation isn't always right.

So, boys and girls can act feminine or masculine, avoid sex stereotypes etc = Good

Humans can change sex = Bad.

@VioletLemon

We're you attending the assembly via Zoom (Teams more likely) ? Did you witness the words, resources used.

Wich part of the OPs posts have you found difficult?

Or did you just read the thread title?

And my reply was before RTFT. Never wise

I did wonder, but couldn't work out how to pharse it politely - what with all the rest of the blundering around the thread that has gone on

Based on another thread I read yesterday, I think you're within your rights to send an angry email to school why they are excluding CatGender children from their assembly. Girls can be cats and boys can be cats. If they choose to so identify.

You are not being unreasonable. Sexist rubbish that doesn't work without stereotypes. I hope you are able to explain to your daughter the reality of biology and that she can dress how she likes, cut her hair how she likes and do the activities she likes but she will always be female. The way gender ideology is pushed on children is very strange. If it was about acceptance and awareness it would be different, but it feels like indoctrination.

@SpringChickenSubstitute

Based on another thread I read yesterday, I think you're within your rights to send an angry email to school why they are excluding CatGender children from their assembly. Girls can be cats and boys can be cats. If they choose to so identify.

I’m squirrelgender, have decided.

The way gender ideology is pushed on children is very strange. If it was about acceptance and awareness it would be different, but it feels like indoctrination.

Well yes, because the way every other potentially difficult topic is handled by schools is markedly different.

Take Islam for example. We cover the main parts of the religion. The god, the five pillars, pilgrimage etc. We don't go into the way some Islamic cultures treat women and we certainly wouldn't be promoting those ideas.

Homosexuality is just integrated with the shape different relationships and families look. We do sex education but that is basic, how a woman gets pregnant, how to prevent pregnancy and have safe sex. We don't promote methods, kink or lifestyle.

The trans thing is not tolerance. Tolerance would look like: Some people believe in a spiritual thing and dress differently. We treat everyone the same regardless of how they dress.

But what we've got is this is the ideology they believe taught as fact. If you don't agree with everything they say or demand you are transphobia.

It amazes me after the absolute fight the UK has had to make fgm illegal, practice tolerance but not endorse harmful practices, that people don't seem to be able to draw the line between tolerance and capture.
I mean it's the actual same thing. Chopping off bits due to outdated beliefs. So why is one celebrated as liberal and progressive and the other rightly condemned?

Doesn’t sound usual to me, I’d ask the school the context. Not sure why your child was sobbing but just gently explain that they can be just exactly as they are.

I really don't find it strange, tbh. The basis of this is to make sure people treat the person as they are, isn't it? It's not anything different from talking about race or religion?
I think it's silly to use same resources for such a huge age range, but the important message here is to accept and be kind to each other, isn't it?

And to pretend humans can change sex?

Except its not kind is it.uts not kind to teach kids stuff that removes boundaries even around their own own sexualities ( when they get to that age)

The truth always comes out.

Question is do you tell them before they put themselves in a dangerous position by using the mens changing room at the pool. Or perhaps you wait until they start obstructing their breathing with a binder?

Or maybe you decide its just too late when they vaccine the 52nd under 18 girl in Scotland to jave their breasts removed?

Its not kind to lie to children .

Become the 52nd

It's not anything different from talking about race or religion?
Religious tolerance is taught in schools. We do not teach ideology. We don't teach anything controversial and the primary curriculum has recently changed so the focus is more on personal philosophical beliefs.

Racial tolerance doesn't require believing untruths or removing safeguarding.

It's not anything different from talking about race or religion?

Pretty sure if someone said you could change your race they’d be uproar.

@Chichimcgee

It's not anything different from talking about race or religion?

Pretty sure if someone said you could change your race they’d be uproar.

It's not just about change, is it? I have a mixed race child. Where does he belong? Can he identify as one race or the other? or he can't, because he is mixed? I think it's up to him to figure out who he is.

I think it is very different to how religion is taught. We don't teach about religions with the aim of converting all the children in the room. Gender ideology is about converting to the belief that humans can change sex, a man is a woman if he says he is, if you feel uncomfortable with your female puberty opt out and chop your breasts off via a crowdfunder of some sort at 18. It is a belief system, but not taught like that. Educational resources from the usuals will always state 'everyone has a gender identity' which is not true. I don't have a gender identity. I am a woman. I am female. Just like a mare is a female horse, woman is a female human.

For anyone unsure of how damaging this all is, I really recommend the video in this thread:

The Call Is Coming From Inside The House - short film www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4456148-the-call-is-coming-from-inside-the-house-short-film

Race isn't binary.
Sex is.
And if white people decided they'd like to start identifying as mixed race, taking scholarships and opportunities set out for mixed race children you'd be ok with that.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3209406-this-is-just-i-have-no-words#prettyPhoto

Like this worried

Yeah im.sure it's totally fine...

I am really not sure. Because you may think you are white, but you may have different race in your ancestor. Is there really a pure race?
I just don't think everything is simply black and white.

I believe it is becoming the norm. My main issue is it's simply not true. If schools are teaching things that aren't true then that's it for me, it's not education is it. This is part of the reason I home educate.

@YoComoManzanas

Eh? What on earth did they say to have your 6yo sobbing?

Something confusing and untrue.

@rainrainraincamedowndowndown

I am really not sure. Because you may think you are white, but you may have different race in your ancestor. Is there really a pure race? I just don't think everything is simply black and white.

I have not experienced race based barriers. No there's not a pure race, but structures are set in place for ensuring race is not used to discriminate. If I take advantage of these as a visibly white person, with white parents then the structure becomes pointless and it allows discrimination to flourish. And that's assuming I do indeed have a black ancestor, which is possible. There's absolutely zero chance of a man being a woman deep down underneath though so it's not comparable. It would make me a massive knob.