4 year old assembly “girls can be boys”

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Is this the norm? My childrens school had an assembly (via zoom of course) on boys can be girls and girls can be boys. The whole school attended - rising 3 year olds through to 11 year olds (nursery is part of schools here -devolved U.K. nation)

I’m so angry, this doesn’t feel age appropriate at all. I’m so angry, my 6 year old was sobbing over it and it completely took me off guard.

I’m not an anti-trans person, I have some good friends who are trans, I’ve seen the pain they’ve gone through, and I’ll always encourage sympathy and no judgement, but this seems like madness. 3 and 4 year olds barely even know what boy and girl are. These poor kids have had two year’s socialisation stolen away from them, can’t we just let them be kids for a few years?

AIBU to be cross, or is this the norm in every school?

YABU- it’s the norm
YANBU- it’s not the norm for this age group

I'd be sobbing, too, if my kids' school started teaching this type of nonsense. About the same as flat earthism or denial of evolution

We had creationism snuck in via a zoo visit and despite checking before hand and being assure they wouldn't have the barn talks about integillegnt design later found out from our child they did.

We got a lot of books and programs that dealt with evolution in child friendly ways - later donated said books to the school.

Perhaps it's not so suprising trans stuff has influtrated schools here as well.

I've just read this article. It's heartbreaking. This shouldn't happen.

It is heartbreaking. Child suicide is extremely rare. Sometimes children's mental health issues and despair are ignored in favour of affirming "gender". This is a case of bullying, which should have been dealt with like all bullying should be.

@tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz

This exactly. I can’t believe people are questioning what my child has said was said.

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But YOU need to establish what exactly was covered and how otherwise you risk looking a bit of a plonker if you've got the wrong end of the stick.

If anyone has got the wrong end of the stick, it would be the child. "If" is a crucial word, mind.

Teachers are supposed to teach PHSE subjects in a clear way that dispels myths, rather than leaving room for confusion. So whether the teachers intended to confuse the OP's daughter, or merely did so through carelessness, it is their fault that the OP's child ended up worrying about whether she may grow a willy overnight.

This is indoctrination. Wrong.

@Snaketime

I wonder if there is a child in school that has come out as trans and the school have done a rushed assembly to try and explain to the kids to make it easier for them. This is the only way this would be even remotely acceptable.

It's possible though it was the other way round in DD1 secondary none then series of assemblies suddenly loads.

Not all have been peristant or consistent over the years but those who have do seem to have more troubled backgrounds and really not sure how much trans stuff has actually helped them.

Are you sure it wasn't more along the lines of girls and boys can all do the same things, there aren't "girls toys" or "girls clothes".

It's interesting, really, that schools can either teach the above - challenge sexist stereotypes - or they can teach 'boys might be girls if they prefer girls' clothes and toys'.

I think it’s way too much for this age group and was absolutely unnecessary. I’m glad that my DD is way past primary stage.
To be honest I’m not surprised that your DD cried. It’s very sensitive topic, was done over Zoom, and some children are just more sensitive then others.
She’s 6. It means she understands the world around her but there are some things which are tricky for her to understand. Maybe she felt sorry for a mum who hasn’t got a little girl any more. Because to have a little girl is the best thing in life ( from her point of view)

There's a fairly recent thread on issues with Twinkle resources here.

So the twinkle stuff didn't really give any definitions as usual.

Identifying as WHAT.

You will not get an answer as to what the identities are.

The terms end right there.

You cant identify as some thing you cant define.

What has a 6 year old male child got in common with a dead woman? Because women don't stop being women vecause they died.

They can't and won't answer what woman Identity is..or a man identity.

Uts such a basic requirement to be able to define your terms but they wont

Print out that slide op.
Highlight non child friendly terms.
Ask them to explain the concept clearly to you without using stereotypes or wrong body as per the DfE guidance. If they can't (which they won't) they need to remove the resource and do damage control.

They may have used twinkl in a last minute panic assembly (guilty) however, I would always have read the slides and watched the video beforehand or if given it by another member of staff I would've skipped that slide altogether.

I'd complain to twinkl as well, you don't have to pay to be a limited member and can join as a parent.

IME it's rife with content that is not age appropriate, not just this subject. I don't know how they check their stuff but it's not through.

Lots of things to complain to the school about

Firstly remind them that your child was very upset because they can't/shouldn't ignore this. They can't argue about the content without dealing with this first.
Next Why did they address this on a whole school basis when the differences between a 4 year old's understanding and an 11 year old's is quite different why did they not allow an opportunity for the children to ask questions in class
Next why did they address this sensitive and controversial topic without consulting or warning parents so that they could support their children properly.

Then you can move onto the nonsense content if you wish. If you start with the content first they will focus on that and not address these important questions. By using nonsense I am not intending to diminish the harmful nature of what they are teaching.

Some schools are completely captured, some haven't thought it through and some don't much like the ideology but are waving the flag because they feel they have to. It's useful to work out what kind of school you are dealing with because it will help you decide which way to approach it.

[quote Cbtb]@swear

I got bored of typing “grown up you trust/like” rather than just grown up. I don’t just tell my dd she should talk to me if she is worried about anything. I tell her she can talk to me of course but I also tell her she can tell her dad, granny, aunties, teacher etc. I am often away with work and it is essential she has other adults in her life she can trust. I trust all these people - after all I let them care for her so she can talk to them.[/quote]
This is in the context of teachers (necessarily approved by the Head) at a primary school teaching all the children, including, 4 year olds, that they can change sex.

I think ot might also be worth mentioning here to anyone on this thread that might not be aware, that amongst the resources schools are using /get sent. The guidance given tells teachers that they can change your kids names and markers at school without informing you as parenys, and in some cases like having special needs /learning difficulties even supply them with Clothes/uniform to express this now secret from parents gender identity.

And to allow them.access to all the facilities at school and on residential trips to the new gender.

So yes your child could have a new name at school and be in the boys dorm on the PGL yr 6 trip.

Sorry not read the thread. This needs an official complaint to the school on the basis it’s unscientific and indoctrination. It’s a safeguarding issue as children need facts. Also OP please get in touch with Merched Cymru merchedcymru.wales/

@Whatwouldscullydo

I think ot might also be worth mentioning here to anyone on this thread that might not be aware, that amongst the resources schools are using /get sent. The guidance given tells teachers that they can change your kids names and markers at school without informing you as parenys, and in some cases like having special needs /learning difficulties even supply them with Clothes/uniform to express this now secret from parents gender identity.

And to allow them.access to all the facilities at school and on residential trips to the new gender.

So yes your child could have a new name at school and be in the boys dorm on the PGL yr 6 trip.

Yes, but worth noting that this is neither law nor in the national curriculum. Schools doing this have, knowingly or unknowingly, gone rogue.

I’m so fucking sick of rubbish like this. I’m dreading my daughter starting school some of the stuff I’ve read on here

Here are some screenshots of the assembly script. The story doesn’t seem to be on Twinkl though.

Last one.

@thewhatsit

I’m very surprised they wouldn’t have explained the content to parents beforehand in an email. We are sent that year’s sex education contents annually and we have to consent to our child being taught it (never seen anything controversial in it so far).

This is not the case in Wales, or it's about to not be the case (not sure exactly when it comes into force). You can't remove your child from sex education in Wales, so you don't have to consent to what they're taught. I don't know whether there's any right for parents to see what's taught.

Just explaining the concept of TQ+ is problematic.

In primary LGB is embedded in the curriculum along with the other different families stuff. It's not an issue because it's about love and family shapes and sizes.

The + stuff requires an understanding of ideology or sexuality. Neither are appropriate for primary children.

On a side note surely we're all questioning since we must be all questioning how we understand this nonsense.

Yes, but worth noting that this is neither law nor in the national curriculum. Schools doing this have, knowingly or unknowingly, gone rogue.

Well that's the thing isn't it.

Its not law.
And those doing the training /sending trans inclusion guidence have no back ground in child development or legal training. The get out clauses for even it goes wrong are written onto the paperwork. There will he no come back to the agency providing the resources.

The school will also be found to be acting illegally

This will be very costly at a time that funding in schools is already dismal.

I wonder how many parents would be horrified to learn that any school following stonewall guidence , well there's an 80 page veritas investigation that declares one staff member who had input, incapable of understanding safguarding and incompetent.

Thats before we get to the father in prison after the rape of a 10 year old girl akd a husband openly admitting to fantasies involving children on twitter

Still needs investigation and clearing up misconceptions.

Not from an outraged starting point of “I’m so angry.” People are so quick to believe schools are “ramming this stuff” down children’s throats they forget that what kids hear is often not what it actually said. My daughter is bright and capable. If I was “so angry” at all the things I had to clarify with the school whether she’d been told something, I’d have been in a permanent rage. But then, none of the things she reported were the latest hit button topics, guaranteed to have MN frothing at the mouth

In fact given the Welsh Assembly's approach I doubt there is any misunderstanding on the part of the child

Yes, I’m certain that’s the point the OP is driving at.

We're you attending the assembly via Zoom (Teams more likely) ? Did you witness the words, resources used.