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4 year old assembly “girls can be boys”

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AnotherNameChanged1234 · 09/02/2022 10:08

Is this the norm? My childrens school had an assembly (via zoom of course) on boys can be girls and girls can be boys. The whole school attended - rising 3 year olds through to 11 year olds (nursery is part of schools here -devolved U.K. nation)

I’m so angry, this doesn’t feel age appropriate at all. I’m so angry, my 6 year old was sobbing over it and it completely took me off guard.

I’m not an anti-trans person, I have some good friends who are trans, I’ve seen the pain they’ve gone through, and I’ll always encourage sympathy and no judgement, but this seems like madness. 3 and 4 year olds barely even know what boy and girl are. These poor kids have had two year’s socialisation stolen away from them, can’t we just let them be kids for a few years?

AIBU to be cross, or is this the norm in every school?

YABU- it’s the norm
YANBU- it’s not the norm for this age group

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saraclara · 09/02/2022 10:10

Why was your six year old sobbing about it?

minipie · 09/02/2022 10:10

YANBU whatsoever

Clymene · 09/02/2022 10:12

No it's not the norm and it's against U.K. government guidance.

Have a look at the Safe Schools Alliance website. Here's a link to their fact sheet on DfE guidance:

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/DfE-Guidance-on-RSE-Curriculum-Planning-in-England.pdf

AnotherNameChanged1234 · 09/02/2022 10:13

@Clymene we are not in England we are in Wales

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YoComoManzanas · 09/02/2022 10:14

Eh? What on earth did they say to have your 6yo sobbing?

yellowtwo · 09/02/2022 10:14

Can you ask to see the materials used, who provided them?

Onthedowns · 09/02/2022 10:16

@saraclara

Why was your six year old sobbing about it?
Because i can imagine it completely throws them off guard. It's not necessary.
Hugasauras · 09/02/2022 10:16

V weird but how on earth did they phrase it to make a 6yo sob?!

givemushypeasachance · 09/02/2022 10:18

What did an assembly on "girls can be boys" actually consist of. If these are assemblies with nursery age kids, they obviously can't use very complicated language or themes or nothing would be understood. Are you sure it wasn't more along the lines of girls and boys can all do the same things, there aren't "girls toys" or "girls clothes". And that yes, some people who may look like girls feel like they are boys and vice versa, what harm does that do to say. Why would it result in any child being in tears.

AnotherNameChanged1234 · 09/02/2022 10:21

Why was my 6 year old sobbing? Because she doesn’t want to be a boy from the little I could gather. It came out on the school run and there wasn’t time to discuss it, I asked who had said what and she told me it was the teachers in whole school assembly.

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dementedpixie · 09/02/2022 10:24

Surely boys can do 'girl' things and girls can do 'boy' things without a boy or girl having to transition to the opposite sex. Something may have been lost in translation

AnotherNameChanged1234 · 09/02/2022 10:24

@givemushypeasachance

What did an assembly on "girls can be boys" actually consist of. If these are assemblies with nursery age kids, they obviously can't use very complicated language or themes or nothing would be understood. Are you sure it wasn't more along the lines of girls and boys can all do the same things, there aren't "girls toys" or "girls clothes". And that yes, some people who may look like girls feel like they are boys and vice versa, what harm does that do to say. Why would it result in any child being in tears.
No, there was a story included about a woman who had a daughter and a son, and the daughter decided she was a boy so the woman had two sons now. That’s as much as they told me, but it’s clear it was about transgender.
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Whatsnewpussyhat · 09/02/2022 10:25

It's utterly stupid and dangerous to teach children they can choose their sex. Pushing queer theory and partisan political viewpoint on children is Indoctrination.

It will be based on nothing but feelings and stereotypes and is total bullshit. The fact that it is being pushed on primary school children is a disgrace.

nolongersurprised · 09/02/2022 10:25

Because she doesn’t want to be a boy from the little I could gather

The examples given to children about how that may actually be around the other sex seem to be based on toys and games. So a 6 year old who may like playing with a range of things may well be genuinely confused and worried.

Mumoblue · 09/02/2022 10:25

Why was your 6 year old upset? Confused

I do think that trans education needs to be careful about conflating someone’s personal interests with their gender identity. It should be clear that there’s no “girls toys” and “boys toys”.

Too often the issue gets boiled down to “pink and blue” which is just stupid. I had people asking me when I was a child why I “wanted to be a boy” because of my interests/style.

nolongersurprised · 09/02/2022 10:26

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icannotbebothered · 09/02/2022 10:27

Sounds ridiculous to have an assembly saying boys can be girls and girls can be boys, what was the purpose of this assembly I wonder.. I'd be raging op

Whatsnewpussyhat · 09/02/2022 10:28

Funny how the examples are almost always little girls wanting to be boys, which is to draw attention away from the adults who are mostly males claiming to be women, who wish to violate female boundaries.

ofwarren · 09/02/2022 10:31

YA definitely not BU

Spidey66 · 09/02/2022 10:31

I've got Girls and Boys by Blur as my earworm now.

starskey80 · 09/02/2022 10:31

This is getting ridiculous, so confusing for young kids.

I can see why a six year old would get upset, she's probably just become aware of the difference in sex, then to be told, actually girls can be boys - with no further explanation. At six years of age. Crazy.
I'd be fucking livid.

Clymene · 09/02/2022 10:32

twitter.com/merchedcymru/status/1491043551706488833?s=21

May be of interest OP - webinar this Saturday on sex education in wales

starskey80 · 09/02/2022 10:33

@Whatsnewpussyhat

Funny how the examples are almost always little girls wanting to be boys, which is to draw attention away from the adults who are mostly males claiming to be women, who wish to violate female boundaries.
It also makes girls feel lesser.... so to be equal, they must be male.

Makes me so angry, girls should be proud of their sex, but this is teaching the opposite.

Prinnny · 09/02/2022 10:35

Oh god I hate all this. I just want my child to go to a school like I did, that teaches them about things about the tudors, the solar system etc not all this woke shit at such a young age. I can’t bear the way the world is going.

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