AIBU to feel overwhelmed by non-binary, cancel culture, and woke society?

[FordSiesta]

I've got to the stage where I feel quite apprehensive about the future. It just feels like there will be no 'men' or 'women' or 'boys' and 'girls' and everyone will need to conform to various gender identities and have to remember all the different ways people identify so as not to accidently offend anyone. I'm supportive of transgender people and understand people changing from male to female or vice versa but now there's all this non-binary stuff it's getting confusing.

All these things going on in this 'woke society' and if you aren't seen as wanting to conform with all this new stuff then the 'cancel culture' comes at you.

I just feel like I would be happy if there wasn't so much pressure placed on people to get pronouns correct if for millions of years we've used he/him and she/her and now we need to say they/them when we were taught in school they/them was plural.

I don't have kids yet but I do wonder if I did what the world would be like for them growing up.

AIBU for wanting to just continue with two genders?

YANBU

@DamnUserName21

Try working in the NHS--where anyone transitioning or transitioned are given male/female (sex) nomenclature as opposed to men/woman (gender). Never knew one could change their sex.... Anyway, I feel ya, OP!!! Age/cultural thing, definitely. My DC find non-binary and woke culture a peace of cake...

Does that mean that trans men are recorded as male and not invited for cervical screening?

Don't know, babyjellyfish. I don't know how smear recalls work but I think smear recalls are national centralised.....I have no clue how invites work on a local level.
I just know that in the software system my organisation uses, transitioned folks are down as their new 'sex'.

@Toanewstart23

* He tells me that God is very real to him. He can explain, in detail, what he believes God is. *

I’d be fascinated to know, genuinely

It's faith and belief. In secular Britain, I think we really underestimate the power of faith. I believe some folks identify more as a woman but are born male, as an example. I also feel there may be a 3rd gender-neither woman nor man but a mixture of both or something completely new. One cannot, however, change their sex which is based on DNA and hormones. Science. Having wine so if I'm not making sense--that's why.

What are they identifying with though, @DamnUserName21?

Nobody can explain this!

In terms of males becoming women,
What they perceive as the feminine womanperiods, make up, dresses, playing with dolls , being soft, kind, gentle, (fuck knows why!) gender constructs, no biological ones.
Why the fuck someone would want a period is beyond me but its all part of being a woman, I guess.

I think it's a fairly reasonable assumption that if a man wants to experience periods, it's a sexual fetish. And that there is basically no similarity between a man who fetishises womanhood and a distressed young girl who has been led to believe that womanhood is optional.

@Momicrone

If a son of mine wanted to wear a dress or a daughter wanted to reject her feminity, as parents what are we supposed to do? Anger and rejection ain't going to get us very far.

Theres nothing wrong in a boy wearing a dress or a girl rejecting current cultural stereotypes of how a girl should look - I am absolutely agreed with the notion that clothes are just clothes, and people should wear what they like. Men and women around the world, and throughout history, have worn all sorts of clothing.

What I utterly reject is the notion that a man becomes a woman once he has put on a dress. That's what is so reactionary and misogynist.

I dont care. I ignore it and carry on with my life as usual. Lot of ridiculous nonsense.

I wonder sometimes about transgender matters and whether it seems homophobic, whether our society is really all the accepting of gay and lesbians as it now claims to be. Years ago I used to work with Iranian men who were definitely gay, but to be accepted in Iran, they either had to pretend they were heterosexual or get "gender reassignment". Then this was socially acceptable in a place where otherwise you would have faced a death sentence.

Its not quite the same thing in the UK, but I do wonder whether homophobia places a part in the keenness to be transgender because society is not really that accepting of gay people, despite all the rainbow flags.

@Hasselhoffsheadband

Good grief, are you serious…cross-dressing, just wow.

Cross dressers come under the 'trans umbrella' according to Stonewall.

Yes, that may be but this person basically labelled all trans women as cross-dressers. How is that acceptable?

YANBU at all. I feel exactly the same.
Waiting for the pendulum to swing back.

@LexMitior

I wonder sometimes about transgender matters and whether it seems homophobic, whether our society is really all the accepting of gay and lesbians as it now claims to be. Years ago I used to work with Iranian men who were definitely gay, but to be accepted in Iran, they either had to pretend they were heterosexual or get "gender reassignment". Then this was socially acceptable in a place where otherwise you would have faced a death sentence.

Its not quite the same thing in the UK, but I do wonder whether homophobia places a part in the keenness to be transgender because society is not really that accepting of gay people, despite all the rainbow flags.

Yes,I remember reading an article about this.

Its not quite the same thing in the UK, but I do wonder whether homophobia places a part in the keenness to be transgender because society is not really that accepting of gay people, despite all the rainbow flags.

A whistleblower from the Tavistock Clinic reported that staff use to comment there would soon be no gay children left. Transing the gay away is a thing but it's hard to know if its parents or children who are driving it. Many of the female detransitioners are lesbians.

Yes, it's overwhelming and let's be honest - it's all tiresome bollocks anyway.

I just have to let it roll over me for my own sanity.

Yes, that may be but this person basically labelled all trans women as cross-dressers. How is that acceptable?

Pip Bounce is a director at Credit Suisse, they identify as gender fluid or non binary and wear dresses and make up on some days of the week and a business suit on others. They accepted an award for women in business. How would you describe this?

The Beaumont Society
Traditionally regarded as a secret MTF group for cross-dressers, the society has significantly evolved since these humble beginnings. It’s now open to any section of the transgender community who would like to join, MTF, FTM, bi or non gendered – even wives and partners.

It really isn't a stretch to suggest that some males may cross dress and identify as a transwoman without actually experiencing gender dysphoria which has historically been the defining characteristic of transexuals experience.

@FOJN

Its not quite the same thing in the UK, but I do wonder whether homophobia places a part in the keenness to be transgender because society is not really that accepting of gay people, despite all the rainbow flags.

A whistleblower from the Tavistock Clinic reported that staff use to comment there would soon be no gay children left. Transing the gay away is a thing but it's hard to know if its parents or children who are driving it. Many of the female detransitioners are lesbians.

I suppose what looks common is that also the medical profession, who would claim to be very tolerant, are to some extent prejudiced. I wonder what part is played by their treatment of children, which in part may also be about their own prejudices.

Children are very sensitive to the expectations of adults. Doctors are powerful people and they are not saints. I am sure they too impose expectations of wider society not to be gay or lesbian.

‘How many more goady threads on this do we need? ‘Oh, I’m soooo confuuuused!’ Of course you are, love…’

So explain it too me @WomanStanleyWoman

I’m not confused about anything. I am a woman, not a body with a vagina, a bleeder or a fucking cervix owner. If I get raped in Scotland, my male rapist will be allowed to identify as female if he chooses to when he is arrested. The incel community will eventually use this bullshit to claim that women are raping and killing women.

Why? Please explain it to me.

Yes, that may be but this person basically labelled all trans women as cross-dressers. How is that acceptable?

Sinead Watson, a detransitioned woman, has posted videos on YouTube describing her experiences with GIDS. According to her, "living as" the opposite sex literally just means cross dressing. Oh, and pronouns.

I mean, what else is there?

Living as a man means living in a male body. Living as a woman means living in a female body. Trans people can't "live as" the opposite sex because humans can't change sex.

So what's left, apart from cross dressing and pronouns?

Waiting for the pendulum to swing back.

I'm afraid the backlash will be severe. It will be against gay people, against feminists, against women in general... because this madness will be seen as "their fault".

Yanbu it's gone way too far with people doing their best to get offended.
Ridiculous.

YABU but I'm sick of anti-trans threads like this.

HTH.

Stonewall was formed to fight for LGB rights and to get marriage recognised. 100% backed for legal marriage. David Cameron just turned round and said OK. So this charity with loads of money and no cause took the wrong path, and here we are.

I suppose what looks common is that also the medical profession, who would claim to be very tolerant, are to some extent prejudiced. I wonder what part is played by their treatment of children, which in part may also be about their own prejudices.

I am related to a GP, she has been 'trained' the Stonewall/ Mermaids line of thinking, that gender must be respected and the identities of children should be accepted without exception and that doing 'no harm' might mean referring to clinics that will advise puberty blockers etc. Absolutely shocking.

I'm not sure that the homophobia plays an overt part in the thinking of those who received the training given by Stonewall. They would assume the opposite given the organisation providing the training. That's the irony.

@FangsForTheMemory

YABU but I'm sick of anti-trans threads like this.

HTH.

So don't you think that women are different from males who identify as women and that there are occasions that single sex spaces are required to ensure the privacy and dignity of women as a sex class, if not please explain why?

Why is it anti trans to be concerned about women's right to safe spaces and the mutilation and sterilisation of children who identify as trans?

Do you believe in same sex orientation or do you believe that women who reject people with penises are bigoted?