AIBU to feel overwhelmed by non-binary, cancel culture, and woke society?

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I've got to the stage where I feel quite apprehensive about the future. It just feels like there will be no 'men' or 'women' or 'boys' and 'girls' and everyone will need to conform to various gender identities and have to remember all the different ways people identify so as not to accidently offend anyone. I'm supportive of transgender people and understand people changing from male to female or vice versa but now there's all this non-binary stuff it's getting confusing.

All these things going on in this 'woke society' and if you aren't seen as wanting to conform with all this new stuff then the 'cancel culture' comes at you.

I just feel like I would be happy if there wasn't so much pressure placed on people to get pronouns correct if for millions of years we've used he/him and she/her and now we need to say they/them when we were taught in school they/them was plural.

I don't have kids yet but I do wonder if I did what the world would be like for them growing up.

AIBU for wanting to just continue with two genders?

Oh sorry

I got wrong end of the stick!

* It's not the young people we are angry with.*

It's the people in power, in politics and medicine, who have thrown safeguarding completely out of the window to worship at the altar of gender ideology.

And some schools
And parents unfortunately

I have a friend who is a bishop in the Church of England and has a degree in theology from Oxford University.

He tells me that God is very real to him. He can explain, in detail, what he believes God is. He also acknowledges the fact that there is no proof that God exists and that he might be wrong. Indeed, this is why it is called "faith"; because you believe in it despite the absence of proof.

I don't believe in God or gender identity, but I have a much more concrete idea about what the former is, and believe there is a lot more evidence for the existence of God than there is evidence for gender identity.

It's the norms, behaviors, and societal roles expected of individuals based primarily on their (perceived) sex.

How is an expectation that I behave in a certain way because I'm female not based on stereotypes? You have just admitted there is a pink box labelled woman and if everything about me does not fit into that box then I must be a man. What are the norms and societal roles expected of me as a female?

Can I be a mum but not an engineer? Can I juggle chainsaws whilst in possession of a vagina? Does that fit within the norms expected of me. Am I allowed to drink pints and swear.

Just asking so I know if I'm doing it correctly.

* He tells me that God is very real to him. He can explain, in detail, what he believes God is. *

I’d be fascinated to know, genuinely

@FOJN

It's the norms, behaviors, and societal roles expected of individuals based primarily on their (perceived) sex.

How is an expectation that I behave in a certain way because I'm female not based on stereotypes? You have just admitted there is a pink box labelled woman and if everything about me does not fit into that box then I must be a man. What are the norms and societal roles expected of me as a female?

Can I be a mum but not an engineer? Can I juggle chainsaws whilst in possession of a vagina? Does that fit within the norms expected of me. Am I allowed to drink pints and swear.

Just asking so I know if I'm doing it correctly.

This.

I don't see how you can believe that most people have either a blue personality to match their penis or a pink personality to match their vagina without resorting to ridiculous stereotypes.

@Toanewstart23

* He tells me that God is very real to him. He can explain, in detail, what he believes God is. *

I’d be fascinated to know, genuinely

He is a fascinating person to talk to.

@Momicrone

Lifeturnsonadime - your daughter may one day decide to join that group of people you're not comfortable with, also I didn't really understand the end of your post, rejecting femininity does not mean you are trans?

Earllier in this thread you wrote this:

If a son of mine wanted to wear a dress or a daughter wanted to reject her feminity,

So it's not unreasonable for me to assume that you think that trans = a rejection of femininity.

If my daughter decides she is trans then I'll respect that, but I will not EVER respect a decision to mutilate her healthy body. She does not think she is anything other than a girl now I have no idea why children who reject femininity (your phrase) should be encouraged to mutilate themselves.

@FOJN

It's the norms, behaviors, and societal roles expected of individuals based primarily on their (perceived) sex.

How is an expectation that I behave in a certain way because I'm female not based on stereotypes? You have just admitted there is a pink box labelled woman and if everything about me does not fit into that box then I must be a man. What are the norms and societal roles expected of me as a female?

Can I be a mum but not an engineer? Can I juggle chainsaws whilst in possession of a vagina? Does that fit within the norms expected of me. Am I allowed to drink pints and swear.

Just asking so I know if I'm doing it correctly.

Wow, this is a bizarre thread. Gender norms are a fact and go way beyond just stereotypes. Gender does not mean stereotypes just like, says, ethnicity doesn't either. Society constructs gender and that changes by society and culture Whether someone conforms to those socially constructed roles is different to.whether they exist or not.

@Balaboostah

My colleague who transitioned is very much a man. That's the correct gender for him. But he could (in theory) give birth.

How though?

Oh I see as he is still technically female

Wow, this is a bizarre thread.
Gender norms are a fact and go way beyond just stereotypes. Gender does not mean stereotypes hmm just like, says, ethnicity doesn't either. Society constructs gender and that changes by society and culture
Whether someone conforms to those socially constructed roles is different to.whether they exist or not.

Yeah, yeah, we get it. Not about stereotypes.

So what is it about?

The Hijras of bangladesh demonstrate that gender identity is not just the domain of 'blue haired teenagers on tik tok'

@Balaboostah

The Hijras of bangladesh demonstrate that gender identity is not just the domain of 'blue haired teenagers on tik tok'

Interesting that they are all male, isn't it?

@CorrBlimeyGG

So we can all agree then that trans women are not women. So the word will not be taken away from women. Great news.

I am a woman. A trans woman can be a woman as well. Another person using the term does not change who I am.

You want to explain that to the women raped by Karen White, a rapist with a penis who was put into a women's prison and, unsurprisingly, raped women.

Go on, sit down and have a good chat with them to explain why any hairy dick-swinger can be a woman but it takes nothing away from natal women, nothing at all.

You pillock.

@babyjellyfish
Except they aren't. The government of Bangladesh (hardly the most woke) recognises them as a third gender.
So it would seem the government of Bangladesh is a bit more enlightened and understanding of gender than you are.

So it would seem the government of Bangladesh is a bit more enlightened and understanding of gender than you are

Hardly, it's an opt-out for effeminate gay men.

I should add, homosexuality is illegal in Bangladesh and punishable with prison terms up to life imprisonment. So anyone holding them out as the bastian of LGBT rights is either ill-informed or not making a point in good faith.

[quote Balaboostah]@babyjellyfish
Except they aren't. The government of Bangladesh (hardly the most woke) recognises them as a third gender.
So it would seem the government of Bangladesh is a bit more enlightened and understanding of gender than you are.[/quote]
I said male.

I was referring to their sex, not their gender.

Why is the sex of all these "third gender" people male?

Whether someone conforms to those socially constructed roles is different to.whether they exist or not.

OK so the socially constructed roles are optional not obligatory. Does that mean that a man can wear a dress and still be a man?

Whilst you're busy being rather rude to posters you seem unable to grasp that women recognise they have historically been allocated gender roles and since second wave feminism onwards we have been trying to dismantle this system of social ordering because it's oppressive and regressive, it's 2022 we're not about to embrace it now.

Is there a reason you think something that is socially constructed cannot be dispensed with if it serves no useful purpose.

And it doesn’t stop there. Apparently there’s people identifying as ‘catgender’ which has its own pronouns.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristol-university-pronoun-guide-staff-6614781.amp

Try working in the NHS--where anyone transitioning or transitioned are given male/female (sex) nomenclature as opposed to men/woman (gender).
Never knew one could change their sex....
Anyway, I feel ya, OP!!! Age/cultural thing, definitely. My DC find non-binary and woke culture a peace of cake...

*I should add this applies to the software system where I work. I cannot speak for other systems.

@Scianel

I should add, homosexuality is illegal in Bangladesh and punishable with prison terms up to life imprisonment. So anyone holding them out as the bastian of LGBT rights is either ill-informed or not making a point in good faith.

Aren't they eunuchs?

Totally agree with your point

Agreed. Feels as though transrights are superceding women's rights. Material Girls is a good read on the subject.