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To ask what you’re doing awake post-midnight? Part 2: Insomnia Strikes Back

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5YearsLeft · 05/02/2022 11:24

Bit awkward to start this in the middle of the day, but I wanted to be able to link it on the old thread before it completely fills. Meanwhile, even though right now it’s not post-midnight, if you’re having a day-after hangover from insomnia, feel free to post. Whether it’s from poorly children or babies or pets or OHs, whether it’s grief or fear or anxiety or other losses, whether it’s work stress or home stress or just LIFE stress, we get it. You’re not yelling into the void; you’re sharing with people who have been stuck wide awake, too.

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purpleme12 · 13/03/2022 02:07

@5YearsLeft I'm so sorry you're in pain 😢
I've just been catching up on Casualty here
Lying with tabby cat again sending you lots of purrs and hugs to take the pain away

ohmylordylord · 13/03/2022 02:27

I'm up because I've had a significant amount of Tod rink. I never ever drink. Can't tell you the last time I had a drink. Years. But my OH finally told me after 2 years of leading me on he doesn't want another baby. We already. Have 1 and I know I should feel lucky to appreciate what I have but I'm devestated. I'm on a lot of meds and have slowly been cutting them down and come off my pill and had awful pain in my back (related to illness) from periods and he's only just decided to tell ne. We already have a 4yo. I'm so upset o feel like I'm grieving. I've depresstly wanted another one for a really long time. It sounds so over the top but I really am so so upset

ohmylordylord · 13/03/2022 02:28

DP still Awake in bed watching movie. DD In her bed. I'm in living room. Haven't stopped crying in and off. I can't even go and lay in bed next to him. I don't know how to react. I really am so upset

lborgia · 13/03/2022 05:28

@ohmylordylord - I've no idea what time it is with you, but just wanted to say someone read this.

I'm so sorry, you must be pretty distraught, why do men do this, I've no idea.

Don't try and deal with it and just move on straight away. You're allowed to be angry, sad, yell. Have you any family or friends to give you a hug and listen?

Oh, don't ever apologise about already having a child. That's not the point!

BrewCake

5YearsLeft · 13/03/2022 05:44

Apparently I was wrong about the pain, because I posted that I couldn’t sleep with it and then it completely knocked me out. Whoops.

@Chichimcgee Glad to see you’re still about! But completely understand that it’s rough times right now trying to set down a newborn and settle DS. I hope you managed to get some sleep for yourself.

@purpleme12 Thank you!!! And that sounds so cosy. I wish I was catching up on Casualty with a purring tabby Grin

@ohmylordylord I don’t blame you for drinking and you don’t need to apologize for being upset; someone you love betrayed your trust (or at least it really seems like he did, unless he has a traumatic reason for why he only just figured out he didn’t want a second) and it’s one of the people you should be able to trust the most. Of course that hurts and it’s over something that affects your entire life. People are allowed to grieve secondary infertility even if they have one child already, they’re allowed to grieve someone misleading them about wanting another child even if they have one child already, they’re allowed to grieve miscarriages even if they have one child already - these things still hurt and having a child already doesn’t stop them hurting. And it doesn’t mean you’re not grateful for the child that you already have. I hope you and DH can move past it eventually, but you’re allowed to be angry at him right now.

@lborgia I do hope you get some sleep when it’s time for you! And very wise words.

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lborgia · 13/03/2022 23:10

STOP PRESS! For the first time in 4 years of battling with schools, and their way of dealing with DS and his ASC, I’ve had an email this morning from the Deputy head of his new high school that blew my mind.

This is only Term 1 here, and he’s had very patchy attendance, after 4 years of almost no schooling at all. We organised a very structured return to school plan, which you sign, and then they use to beat you with if your child can’t live up to it.

Well. The school was closed last week, because of the floods, and she wrote this morning and said “because he couldn’t finish the easier week, and he’s been away for a few days, would he find it better to just come in in for one class today?” This is UNHEARD of.

So, I get a whole 55 minutes to myself Grin.

Just as well, the sleep was not my friend last night. My problem is that if I wake up, I end up doing an inventory of all the things that are a bit crap and trying to come up with new and exciting ways to solve them.

given that most of them are pretty intractable, it’s a fairly futile exercise, but at least last night, because I’d managed to get out of the house yesterday afternoon for a whole 15 minutes, I think my circadian rhythms were helped a bit, and I felt much more sleepy much more quickly that usual.

it’s so difficult, isn’t it, if you’re not well enough to go out in the light on and off all day (as we’re supposed to be), and if there’s pain as well, it’s a bit of a disaster.

I just read that last sentence back. I cannot believe I’m being so perky about everything. Honestly, one kind thought from one teacher, and the world looks different.

I’m not trusting her at all, still, oh no, it still looks like a duck, and walks like a duck, and frankly, until this morning, was quacking like a duck (“I know your son has ASC, but you need to look at your priorities Mrs Borgia!” Angry). But I’ll take the win, because DS was so happy, and a happy Monday morning with my youngest is a rare and blessed moment. And we’ve had 3 of them this year!

@ohmylordylord - how are you doing? Have you managed to get some rest, and keep sane? Any more thoughts on how to handle this/him, or still just putting one foot in front of the other? I know it’s not OK to involve children in our woes, but you CAN give her a ton of cuddles, and she will benefit from that too.

@MrsGlum - I hope you get some sporadic sleep tonight, at least. Have you tried all the boring, but often helpful things such as a warm bath/shower, making sure your feet are warm, listening to a sleep app? They all seem nonsense when you’re in the worst of it, but might add half an hour to your sleep, or at least make going to sleep pleasurable.

I remembered yesterday that, when I was dealing with withdrawal effects, a warm bath with lots of lavender oil in it really helped. As in, it felt good, not that it solved everything. I have a ridiculous nest of heat packs, essential oils, even an eye mask (fluffy one that looks like you’re a rabbit), have all helped at various points. For me it’s a distraction from the overthinking and gives me something physical to faff around with iyswim.

@Chichimcgee - hello, congratulations on the baby! I do not envy you the night shifts, but I remember in the end I just had to give in to it. The thing that sent me bat crazy (literally) was trying to find a rhyme or reason to night time behaviour. I also just gave in to my eldest just going retrograde, and gave myself a few months to just do whatever it took, which often involved much later sleeps for DS1, and me looking like a mess of knitting. But anyway, hope you get a bit of rest tonight. Bear

@purpleme12 - they’ve just put the entire Casualty series -is? All of them, anyway, on here, and I was contemplating starting at the beginning. Purring cat sounds so soothing. Enjoy Smile

Right, that’s me for today, I’m off to pick up DS. Hope he’s as happy now as he was an hour ago Hmm.

ImNotDancing · 14/03/2022 00:03

Hi all! I’m back!
Don’t be fooled, I’ve not been sleeping well but I’ve been trying to stay off my phone at night to see if it helps. Spoiler alert - it does not!
I’m wide awake tonight and have super bad cramps after my hysteroscopy on Friday which was actually also a biopsy (which no one thought to tell me until I was being given the consent form to sign!!)

Confusedmeanderings · 14/03/2022 00:36

@Chichimcgee lovely to hear from you. Don't worry about keeping up with us, you have a lot on your plate!

@purpleme12 my DCat has abandoned me in favour of going out roistering with his mates!

@ohmylordylord you're allowed to grieve. Having a child already doesn't change that. Be kind to yourself and do whatever you need to do to work through this. Oh, and listen to @lborgia, she is very wise!

As for me, the phone call with the oncologist turned out to be something and nothing. She just wanted to know what side effects I'd had. I've been surprised how upset I've been about my hair coming out. I thought I'd be reasonably OK with it, but it turns out I'm not. Sad I wore my wig yesterday, but it didn't really make me feel any better. I'm no great looker and I'm not vain but now I look in the mirror and want to cry. Second cycle of chemo tomorrow too, so I know the coming week is going to be hard.

5YearsLeft · 14/03/2022 01:40

Hello and welcome to the after-midnight thread, already in progress. If you can’t sleep, you’re welcome here.

Sorry, I’m absolute crap today because it’s injection day.

@lborgia Hooray! But I’m so sorry that it’s just one teacher and once and one class. I know it’s better than nothing but we all know it shouldn’t be that way.

@ImNotDancing Sorry to see you back but glad to have you! And I do hope the cramps get a bit better. Hot water bottle or heated blanket?

@Confusedmeanderings I’m so sorry about your hair. It’s not vain. It’s a scary and real part of cancer and you’re allowed to absolutely hate it; most people do, I think. I hate it for you too. I look forward to a point when all this is behind you; I know it seems so, so far away right now.

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Barnowl25 · 14/03/2022 01:50

Went to sleep early as knackered after a busy day, now wide awake stressing over every conversation I had at work today.... was I too loud, did I talk too much, blah blah.

5YearsLeft · 14/03/2022 04:24

@Barnowl25 That’s so difficult! Overthinking is a real problem with insomnia; waking up at 3am, you can’t get back to sleep for some reason anyway, so then it all starts to okay back. I hope you’ve been able to get some sleep by now!

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Barnowl25 · 14/03/2022 06:54

@5YearsLeft thank you I did manage to get some sleep. I told myself I was bloody fantastic and to stop worrying. Worked eventually. Until the next time!

catwomando · 14/03/2022 08:58

Well hello everyone. I've been quiet as I've been away on a yoga retreat and was trying to do no devices.

Wow. What an experience. Doing mantras and meditation and sound baths and soft stretchy yoga and walks in the sunshine and amazing veggie food and lots of interesting people to talk with. Ended the weekend with a full-on Thai massage. Brutal but amazing for my bad arm, solid shoulders and creaking hips.

To all of you wrestling with lack of sleep please may I recommend finding a sound bath or gong bath to go to. They sound a bit woo but are bloody amazing. You lie down (or sit comfortably if you can't lie), get warm and cosy, cover your eyes and lie back. They play a series of bowls and gongs, which vibrate around the room and envelop you in a wall of sound unlike anything I've ever heard before. you see colours and patterns and in some cases visualisations as well (mad!!), and many people drift off into a deep meditative slumber. In one yesterday she walked around the room with a vibrating bowl and held it over our heads, one at a time. It's like been basked in warm vibrating sunshine and feels soothing and warm. Remarkable sensation. Each of the bowls represents different chakras (I didn't even knew what a chakra was until yesterday Grin) and help positive energy to flow through the body. Like I said, a bit woo, but even if the chakra thing isn't your bag, the vibrations and the lying down most probably would be as it's like a supercharged nap.

I've also learnt a Sanskrit chant (ooh, get me!) which is Sa TA Na Ma. You Sing it or chant it or think it for a few minutes every day whilst touching your fingers, each in turn, to your thumb. It's very calming.

SA is birth, the beginning, infinity, the totality of everything that ever was, is, or will be.
TA is life, existence, and creativity which manifests from infinity.
NA is death, change, and the transformation of consciousness.
MA is rebirth, regeneration, and resurrection which allows us to consciously experience the joy of the infinite.

Again, it might be a bit woo for you, but it is a lovely way to spend a few minutes (if you have them between crying babies, lambs that need feeding, doctors that need visiting, dinners that need cooking etc). Anyway I'll stop raving on about yogic magic stuff to you all now but needed , and wanted to share a bit of the magic with you all in case it helps you too.

Oh, and over the weekend I met quite a few people who are now taking testosterone as part of their HRT and say it is has totally eradicated their insomnia and brain fog, and given them back their energy (all without growing a beard and testicles, which is quite handyGrin). I'm looking forward to trying it if I can.

Have a good day everyone. 😘

Confusedmeanderings · 14/03/2022 10:53

@catwomando I know it isn't after midnight yet, but I'm sat here hooked up to a drip getting my next round of chemo so I'm mumsnetting! The retreat sounds amazing and I think I'll see if I can find a gong bath near me. I've been thinking about alternative therapies to try!

lborgia · 14/03/2022 12:18

@catwomando - I’m only getting to know who every one is very slowly, but I want to just chime in about the testosterone.

I went through a very fast meno a couple of years ago, and one of the side effects was the I completely stopped producing testosterone. Did you know, we normally have more of that than any female hormone?! GPs never know that, and it makes such a difference.

I’m very lucky thatI have a GP who is very big on anti aging, and so she’s a huge supporter of testerone for women.

I use the testogel that is usually used for men. It’s a gel that you apply to the body, and for men they start at, like, 4 pumps of the gel, and I’m only taking about a 1/4 of a pump a day.

It’s definitely made a difference in my sleep, fog, etc. interesting actually that you’ve now reminded me, I’ve been really bad at taking it for the last few weeks, so I wonder if that’s why my sleep has got so much worse in recent days?!

God I can be dim sometimes!

Anyway, good luck with getting some testogel, I really recommend it (but it only works if you actually USE it Hmm!).

Wallywobbles · 14/03/2022 20:38

The kids are spending their first night outside. Crevette has a coat on as it's going to rain early tomorrow. Still one to go.

Sadly no photos.

Flock is now up to 30 I think.

5YearsLeft · 14/03/2022 23:25

Welcome to the after-midnight thread. If you’re awake for any reason, you’re welcome to here, to share or whinge or vent or cry or whatever you need to do.

I’m having a pretty rough day after injections yesterday and because my steroids were tapered more today (which is good, in the long run, but my brain doesn’t make energy chemicals without them so I feel like I can barely stay awake or get out of bed right now).

@Wallywobbles Exciting times! Good luck with everybody staying outside for the first night, including Crevette, in her coat. 30! At this rate, you’ll have to get a dog, or if you have one, she’ll have to sit her exams for “Flocks 25 and Over.”

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Wallywobbles · 15/03/2022 07:10

@5YearsLeft

Welcome to the after-midnight thread. If you’re awake for any reason, you’re welcome to here, to share or whinge or vent or cry or whatever you need to do.

I’m having a pretty rough day after injections yesterday and because my steroids were tapered more today (which is good, in the long run, but my brain doesn’t make energy chemicals without them so I feel like I can barely stay awake or get out of bed right now).

@Wallywobbles Exciting times! Good luck with everybody staying outside for the first night, including Crevette, in her coat. 30! At this rate, you’ll have to get a dog, or if you have one, she’ll have to sit her exams for “Flocks 25 and Over.”

Haha. This being France, dog would have to Flocks 5, Flocks 10 etc first.

Mumsnet disappeared overnight. I just got this thread doesn't exist and thought you might have been zapped which was worrying.

Hope everyone got some shut eye without MN distraction.

5YearsLeft · 15/03/2022 13:59

Oh gosh hope everyone is okay and had no idea we had temporarily disappeared. I thought someone mentioned us replatforming from Sunday to Monday but I didn’t notice anything so completely forgot. But now I’m looking all the way back at @Tallisimo’s post and it WAS Monday to Tuesday. Crap, I bet all our sleep deprived brains forgot by now. Well, @Wallywobbles, we’re still here, and I’d definitely paint my face blue and put on a kilt before I’d let them take the thread down (no, actually I’d just ask really nicely if we could undo whatever was wrong, ha). And true, same in Switzerland, re: sitting Flocks 5, Flocks 10, etc. Silly bastards.

@catwomando - I actually googled sound bath and found one happening here on Friday, emailed them so husband and I could go… but they’re full up. Sad Guess I’ll catch the next one. I did look them up on YouTube and they made me fall asleep so eh! Good lookout maybe?

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Shehasadiamondinthesky · 15/03/2022 14:09

I sleep like a corpse but my kitten is in the habit of waking me up at 2am "hangry" and chews my hand. She won't leave me alone until I get up and feed her.
Of course I can't get back to sleep again after that. Wondering how long this phase lasts!!!

5YearsLeft · 15/03/2022 15:06

@Shehasadiamondinthesky Bad news; I think it lasts until they stop being cats.

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Tallisimo · 15/03/2022 22:50

What a confused lot we are, to be sure. How reassuring to know that we are still here, and haven’t been annihilated by the MN police 😂

I managed about 6 hours interrupted sleep last night and had to be up early to sort out my temporary dog guest and get to my first physio app. As suspected, it was just more of the same and only lasted about 15 mins! Next week, however, I get to see the so-called advanced team! Wonder what that will entail….

This evening, I went to a yoga class especially for beginners - my first brush with class yoga (I’ve watched some YouTube sessions but thought a proper class might be good to make sure I’m doing things right, and give me some extra motivation). I’ve got a lot of aching going on right now, can’t quite decide if that is a good or bad thing! I hope I don’t regret it in the morning ….

Hugs to all who are awake and would rather be zzzzzzzzzzz

5YearsLeft · 16/03/2022 00:33

Welcome to the non-annihilated after-midnight thread, which escaped the great purge of 15 March. If you’re awake dealing with or thinking about some of the crap that gets stuck in life, this thread is for you.

@Tallisimo Sorry your physio appointment wasn’t more… more! I do hope the advanced team is where the MRIs and things live. Maybe I’m being ridiculous, but I really do feel that you’re a woman so it’s just accepted as incurable sciatica and fobbed off whereas if you were a man they’d already be looking at your back discs on an MRI. Drives me MAD.

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Confusedmeanderings · 16/03/2022 01:40

@Wallywobbles I hope the kids survived the night!

@5YearsLeft You are definitely having a tough time. Be kind to yourself and don't push yourself too far.

@Shehasadiamondinthesky the bad news is, they never stop! My kitten is now going through the teenage phase. He grumbles under his breath when you make him do something he doesn't want to do, like get off the sofa. He stops out to the last possible minute at night, refusing to come in when you call him, but slinking in unobtrusively when the lights go out and he realises I've gone to bed without him!

I'm actually feeling reasonably OK after the chemo. I managed to get a few bits done yesterday morning and then slept all afternoon. Today we went to a nearby seaside town and walked along the prom a little way. I had to stop at every bench for a rest but it was worth it. I even had a chippy tea while we were there. Then I slept again! Hopefully I will tonight to. I didn't bother with the wig, I went with a bandana and a headband and that felt better.

ImNotDancing · 16/03/2022 02:08

My night is ugh. The cramps from my hysteroscopy have turned into v heavy bleeding. Currently waiting for a nurse to call me back from 111 - almost three hours now 😩 we were waiting to see if they needed me in but I’ve sent everyone to bed and told them I’ll wake them if I need them.

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