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Boris - new low

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daimbarsatemydogsbone · 01/02/2022 16:50

Obviously he's running scared from his own side as well and Labour and the excellent contribution from Ian Blackford - no doubt Dennis Skinner would have done the same if still an MP.

However, there was no need for Johnson to stoop to the level of more lies - this time trying smear Kier Starmer with untrue allegations about Jimmy Savile.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/60213975

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Alexandra2001 · 07/02/2022 21:55

@JaniieJones

'If you defend this behaviour or if you minimise it then you are no better than Trumps baying mob.'

No one has defended or minimised it. It is disgusting when mobs hurl abuse at MPs. Reports suggest it was a left wing momentum/anti vax protest where they started shouting 'why aren't you helping the working class' and escalated.

You have.
StormzyinaTCup · 07/02/2022 22:00

Yes that is awful. Doesn't excuse BJ for linking Starmer to Saville and making him a target.

I'm not excusing him just pointing out that this group have previous form and the noose is nothing new where they are concerned.

At the end of the day Boris future lies with his own MPs but they need to decide what they are going to do pretty sharpish, either keep Boris Johnson or boot him out but just make a decision. I'm not a fan of indecision and floundering about when we have a whole host of other issues that need urgently addressing.

ancientgran · 07/02/2022 22:02

Well it sounds like his MPs aren't impressed with it and want him to retract the statements and apologise. Hopefully they will make the right decision soon and we can get rid of this "not completely" a clown.

Blossomtoes · 07/02/2022 23:33

No one has defended or minimised

Gaslighting now. It doesn’t really work when it’s there in black and white.

BreadInCaptivity · 07/02/2022 23:46

@ancientgran

Well it sounds like his MPs aren't impressed with it and want him to retract the statements and apologise. Hopefully they will make the right decision soon and we can get rid of this "not completely" a clown.

The problem is that it's a bit more complicated than I think some people realise.

Whilst there are I'm certain enough MP's willing to trigger a vote of no confidence, what's far less certain is if they would win it.

All BJ needs is a simple majority to win, and if he does then he cannot be challenged for another 12 months.

Realistically, this could be the best thing to happen for BJ.

It would mean he is Teflon coated for another year, in which time we will have the May elections, the end of the Met PartyGate enquiry and the publication of the full Grey report and whatever the outcome he could not be challenged (and we know damn well he won't resign).

MP's who are currently undecided/neutral or feel he's still worth backing might feel very differently after the above.

That's the reason why many anti Johnson MP's are holding fire on letters for now.

Behind the scenes I bet there is a hell of a lot of politicking going on to see how people would vote in a no confidence scenario and frankly it's not improbable that BJ's allies might want to see this contest happen sooner rather than later if they think they have the numbers to win now.

A year is then a long time for BJ to shore his position back up.

It should be straightforward I know. He's an arrogant lying shit and every Tory MP should be putting pen to paper and voting him out - but the problem is that being an arrogant lying shit isn't exactly seen as abnormal for a politician - more an occupational hazard and throwing out the leader who got your party an 80 seat majority isn't to be done until you're sure he's now a liability with the majority of the electorate and not the asset he was.

And let's face it - anyone who voted Tory in the last GE knew exactly the sort of person Boris was so it's not a forgone conclusion that "more of the same" is going to put them off voting for him again.

UnconditionalSurrender · 08/02/2022 11:26

No one has defended or minimised it. It is disgusting when mobs hurl abuse at MPs. Reports suggest it was a left wing momentum/anti vax protest where they started shouting 'why aren't you helping the working class' and escalated

This is straight out of the Trump playbook. It wasn't us it was the other lot. Antifa, leftwingers etc etc etc.
No-one was shouting about Jimmy Savile or paedophiles until Johnson said what he said. People who enable and defend him are worse imo than he is.

SueSaid · 08/02/2022 11:36

'This is straight out of the Trump playbook. It wasn't us it was the other lot. Antifa, leftwingers etc etc etc.'

It was a leftie mob led by Piers Corbyn, fact! I can see how folk don't know this as the media have unsurprisingly been quiet on it.

They were mostly shouting traitor as he is such a shite leader, yes the odd Saville comment was also shouted but it certainly wasn't the main theme despite the telly reporters spinning it as such.

If I were Starmer I'd have a word with momentum and ask them to desist with their nooses and abuse.

NETSRIK · 08/02/2022 11:36

@JaniieJones

'If you defend this behaviour or if you minimise it then you are no better than Trumps baying mob.'

No one has defended or minimised it. It is disgusting when mobs hurl abuse at MPs. Reports suggest it was a left wing momentum/anti vax protest where they started shouting 'why aren't you helping the working class' and escalated.

You defend him in every post you write.
SueSaid · 08/02/2022 11:41

'You defend him in every post you write.'

Was it a leftie mob led by Piers Corbyn or not? The answer is yes. Watch the footage! traitor is the most audible and repeated slur.

I'm stating the inconvenient truth. The media need to to try reporting actual facts.

UnconditionalSurrender · 08/02/2022 11:42

JaniieJones The odd Savile comment

You are minimising. One of them was a Tory councillor. They called him a paedophile. You are part of the problem.
The dangerous conspiracy theories play to the ulra left and ultra right who have more than a little in common. Johnson's comments throws more petrol on this fire. He knows this. Dangerous game to play.

SueSaid · 08/02/2022 11:44

'You are minimising.'

Again, it was a far left mob. Why are they not focusing on the Assange comments and traitor?! It wasn't predominantly about Saville. The media are playing some of you.

UnconditionalSurrender · 08/02/2022 11:44

Might have been a ex Tory councillor- still same breed. Doesn't matter what flavour of nutter Johnson is stirring up.

Blossomtoes · 08/02/2022 11:46

The media need to to try reporting actual facts

It doesn’t need to. The footage is available to anyone who wants to watch it. That mob didn’t randomly pick the insult of “paedophile” out of thin air, regardless of which end of the political spectrum it represents.

UnconditionalSurrender · 08/02/2022 11:47

Media is not playing us. The Savile and paedophile comments came straight from Johnsons nonsense. You just ignoring those for your own convenience? None of this should be coming from our PM. He's a fucking disgrace of a man.

ancientgran · 08/02/2022 11:52

@BreadInCaptivity I absolutely agree about the timing of a vote of no confidence, it is pointless triggering it unless they know they can win.

It doesn't change the fact that he should apologise and even Conservative MPs are saying that. I don't think an honourable man should need to be forced to apologise if he said something wrong in the heat of the moment but I suppose that would rely on Johnson being an honourable man and if he did just say it in the heat of the moment.

ancientgran · 08/02/2022 11:53

I just turned on TV as the Speaker finished making a speech about it, does anyone know what he said?

SueSaid · 08/02/2022 11:55

'It doesn’t need to. The footage is available to anyone who wants to watch it. '

Well watch it then! A leftie mob shouting traitor because he is a rubbish Labour leader, shouting he betrayed working peope shouting about Assange. How on earth have people come to the conclusion that this is Johnson's fault?!

Starmer needs to publicly denounce Momentum or resistance whatever they're called, Piers Corbyn and their noose tactics. Just shocking but sadly unsurprising that all some folk are wanging on about is Johnson.

ancientgran · 08/02/2022 11:56

@JaniieJones

'You are minimising.'

Again, it was a far left mob. Why are they not focusing on the Assange comments and traitor?! It wasn't predominantly about Saville. The media are playing some of you.

Are anti vaxxers far left? I didn't think it worked like that, there are far right and left aren't they. In the USA I think it is clearly far right but I'm not sure if it is that clear cut in the UK.

I don't think Piers Corbyn makes it far left, he's there as an anti vaxxer rather than as left wing.

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boogiewithasuitcase · 08/02/2022 12:02

So apparently a far left Momentum mob believes what the Conservative prime minister has to say about the Labour leader.

Ok....Hmm

Blossomtoes · 08/02/2022 12:02

How on earth have people come to the conclusion that this is Johnson's fault?!

Just a coincidence that of all the insults they could come up with less than a week after Johnson’s erroneous accusation, they just randomly alighted on “paedophile”? Pull the other one.

SueSaid · 08/02/2022 12:12

'Just a coincidence that of all the insults they could come up with less than a week after Johnson’s erroneous accusation, they just randomly alighted on “paedophile'

It was a mob of people shouting lots of various abuse. The media are covering it as if it were a Saville protest. It wasn't.

Piers Corbyn and his ragtag bunch of abusive protestors need arresting, surely carrying a noose is inciting hate and violence?

Blossomtoes · 08/02/2022 12:44

Piers Corbyn and his ragtag bunch of abusive protestors need arresting, surely carrying a noose is inciting hate and violence?

Crack open the champagne - the impossible has happened, you’ve said something I agree with!

HarrietPierce · 08/02/2022 12:46

"Piers Corbyn and his ragtag bunch of abusive protestors need arresting, surely carrying a noose is inciting hate and violence?"

"Crack open the champagne - the impossible has happened, you’ve said something I agree with!"

Me too Blossomtoes !

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daimbarsatemydogsbone · 08/02/2022 12:50

Piers Corbyn and his ragtag bunch of abusive protestors need arresting, surely carrying a noose is inciting hate and violence?

Maybe he could share a cell with Boris.

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