To wonder how you feel today if you voted for Boris Johnson at the last election?

[Readyforthegoodlife]

It’s absolutely no surprise that Boris is behaving in this way but I cannot actually believe that we have a prime minister like this. He is utterly morally bankrupt. If you voted for him how do you feel now?

@truthfullylying

Let me rephrase then: from your comments in this thread, I gather that the political party/parties you back haven't won an election in the UK for (minimum) circa 16 years. Nor did you get the result you wanted in the brexit referendum.

This is what I meant when I stated that you won't be defining what's good for the nation any time soon.

But a political discussion about something like 'populism' as a concept and what it means is not really about my view of politics in terms of voting.

It will take something for the current Tories not to run out of steam, is that not just the way of things? Something like Merkel's longevity that was so rare. The UK is not Japan, although yes we tend to return Tory governments more often than we return Labour governments. Many Tories fully expect to lose the next election because what are they currently for?

The biggest thing I felt strange about Johnson was for all his proclaimed understanding of Churchill he seemed ot belive that people would be grateful to him for Brexit - but voters just move on. Churchill was kicked out sharpish once he had ceased to represent the public mood. Johnson was always at risk once Brexit was 'done', now that has happened what is his government for?

I gather that the political party/parties you back haven't won an election in the UK for (minimum) circa 16 years. Nor did you get the result you wanted in the brexit referendum.

I know that wasn't directed at me but I am in my 50s and have NEVER got what I voted for in UK elections or referendums. I always vote and did 'win' in some EU elections, this was only because they didn't use fptp though.

Still, at least it means I'm not responsible for the current shit show, the people who voted for it can own the whole lot.

@truthfullylying

But a political discussion about something like 'populism' as a concept and what it means is not really about my view of politics in terms of voting.

It will take something for the current Tories not to run out of steam, is that not just the way of things? Something like Merkel's longevity that was so rare. The UK is not Japan, although yes we tend to return Tory governments more often than we return Labour governments. Many Tories fully expect to lose the next election because what are they currently for?

The biggest thing I felt strange about Johnson was for all his proclaimed understanding of Churchill he seemed ot belive that people would be grateful to him for Brexit - but voters just move on. Churchill was kicked out sharpish once he had ceased to represent the public mood. Johnson was always at risk once Brexit was 'done', now that has happened what is his government for?

It’s a tough gig for Labour still isn’t it?

Blair did exceedingly well but Labour today feels different.

Is the opposite of populism ‘not listening’?

I remember after their defeat they said they’d try to listen more. Early indication of policy doesn’t feel good to me and I’m an easy vote win as central floating voter

[quote Yeahthat]@Iggly

Great. I don't pay taxes in order to rectify historic injustices, nor do I want a government which thinks that its job is to even things up for the rest of the world.

I want a government which puts this country first.

Until the Labour Party has the desire to do so (or is capable of so much as appearing to actually like the country that they want to govern), I won't be voting for them.[/quote]
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Is the opposite of populism ‘not listening’? No because populism is not about listening but about telling. Populism is a divisive tool, but most people feel more content at times of national unity, both positive (e.g. Olympics 2012, jubilees) and in hard times too. One reason the picture of the Queen sitting alone at Philip's funeral is so powerful is that it was unifying. People do not enjoy division, although it can be an effective political tool of course.

I want a government which puts this country first There are many different ways to do this and I also want a government that is properly patriotic. I would argue this current government is absolutely not putting this country first, in particular with the acceptance of Russian money, the appalling corruption over covid contracts, the cheap jokes e.g. operation last gasp.

@truthfullylying

Is the opposite of populism ‘not listening’? No because populism is not about listening but about telling. Populism is a divisive tool, but most people feel more content at times of national unity, both positive (e.g. Olympics 2012, jubilees) and in hard times too. One reason the picture of the Queen sitting alone at Philip's funeral is so powerful is that it was unifying. People do not enjoy division, although it can be an effective political tool of course.

Labour’s defeat showed they were not listening and in fact pledged to do more of it afterward they lost. Whether they do or not for next election we’ll see.

They have been granted the gift of DC doing a lot of heavy lifting atm. Ironically given his messaging appealed to the other side for Brexit.

I’d love Labour to get closer to what was positive in Blair years, can’t see it yet. Maybe they will drop some of the identity stuff and hopefully define woman accurately, which is very important to me.

After..

It's not as if there was much of an alternative.

The fact that Starmer & co. have focused on these parties for so long just goes to show that they're not able to attack the government on their policies

Oh that lame argument again.
There would be nothing to 'concentrate on' if Johnson and The Tories had not broken the law in lockdown!
I'm sure you and other Tories would love it if opposition parties turned a blind eye to the lawbreaking and lying in Parliament by the PM. It's the tactic the sociopath Johnson uses - 'forget my lawbreaking, think of the lie I'm going to repeat about Starmer and Savile!

Wake up to the lying, racist, misogynist that is up ending our democracy and making us the laughing stock of the world.

My DH voted for the Tory party, always has. He is quite defensive in the argument that all MPs lie and twist their answers to questions... ultimately, he will not be voting for them again he says, because his party will know what hes been upto, and ignored it rather than replaced him with someone who is more honest. He says he has lost trust in the party that he has always voted for.

@Nowayoutonlydown

My DH voted for the Tory party, always has. He is quite defensive in the argument that all MPs lie and twist their answers to questions... ultimately, he will not be voting for them again he says, because his party will know what hes been upto, and ignored it rather than replaced him with someone who is more honest. He says he has lost trust in the party that he has always voted for.

This is what the polling is consistently showing - many decent Tory voters are alienated by the complete lack of ethics being shown by Johnson and crucially those who are defending him are allowing the whole Conservative brand to be tainted by it.

We only have to look at the damage Corbyn did to the Labour brand to see how quickly it can happen - I do not understand what the Tories think is going to imporve for them as partygate rumbles on... and on... and on.

They are discussing it in the US now - that Johnson whilst often compared to Trump has nothing like the same following, and polling is showing Johnson is personally very unpopular now.

I'm sure a number of Conservative voters are disillusioned, myself included. But I'd never vote Labour or Lib Dem (nor for the Green Party).

So, unless a new alternative party presents itself, I'll be voting for them next time. I suspect I won't be the only one.

Firstly I agree with a few other posters you need to learn a little about our voting system if you think we vote for a PM.

Secondly yes I did vote for my local Conservative candidate why? Well my choice was him or a Labour candidate who was known for antisemitic views and for wanting a lite Brexit (aka we leave but the EU still follow all EU rules without have any MEPs). I refuse to vote for a racist.. In contrast my Conservative MP is a decent bloke who does tend to vote with what is best for our local area.

This is what I meant when I stated that you won't be defining what's good for the nation any time soon

...what good has 12 years of Tory rule done for the nation? most people are working 40hrs plus pw to struggle, 6m on waiting lists, (3m pre CV), set to raise to 12m.
£14billlion wasted on PPE and fraud.
Women waiting 3 years for rape to come to trial (in the remote chance its even investigated)

Even the holy cow of defence has been slashed under the Tories - lowest number of infantry for 300years, set to drop to only 19,000 in 2024.

So what has your party done thats been "Good of the Nation"?

or is ..but Labour?

Firstly I agree with a few other posters you need to learn a little about our voting system if you think we vote for a PM

Inaccurate - many people people vote exactly for the leader of a political party, this and other political threads are littered with "I couldn't vote for Corbyn" or "i voted for Boris because he said he'd get brexit done"

Secondly yes I did vote for my local Conservative candidate why? Well my choice was him or a Labour candidate who was known for antisemitic views and for wanting a lite Brexit (aka we leave but the EU still follow all EU rules without have any MEPs). I refuse to vote for a racist.. In contrast my Conservative MP is a decent bloke who does tend to vote with what is best for our local area

Whether you like it or not, by voting for a conservative MP, no matter how good an individual, you put a Racist & a misogynist in no10... and what a disaster he has proven to be, both for the country and by default, for your local area.

I didn’t vote for the conservatives at the last election but if there was an election tomorrow I actually probably would this time. I don’t like BJ but the rest of the Conservative party have really pulled it together the last couple of years and the country has got through the pandemic relatively well financially and I agree with the strategy going on now. Labour on the other hand have barely contributed anything and I don’t believe they would have done a better job.

Definition of insanity....

Keep doing the same thing over and over and expect different results.

I have voted for different parties in the past. Voted blue last time. Would do again. Am disappointed in the No.10 shenanigans, but actually more annoyed with the media now. Nobody elected them!!

My local Tory MP is new but brilliant. She knows what a woman is, works really hard for the community, is a school mum, takes the high ground when the opposition gets nasty, which must be hard. Helps bring money to our far flung part of Britain.

I would like her to carry on so I will probably vote Tory again. PMs come and go.

My local Tory MP is new but brilliant. She knows what a woman is, works really hard for the community, is a school mum, takes the high ground when the opposition gets nasty, which must be hard. Helps bring money to our far flung part of Britain

What does she think about BJ making false allegations against Starmer? which even lawyers & victims say is completely wrong?

Does she think BJ should apologise and withdraw the remark or, as i suspect, she is more than happy to sling the muck around and see how much sticks?

@Alondra

Definition of insanity....

Keep doing the same thing over and over and expect different results.

This goes for defeats too

Hopefully Labour will learn and listen next time

Hopefully Labour will learn and listen next time

Your answer illustrates how insanity works...

Labour has not been in power for 11 years but anything can be justified when people refuses to take responsibility for what they have voted for.

@Alondra

Hopefully Labour will learn and listen next time

Your answer illustrates how insanity works...

Labour has not been in power for 11 years but anything can be justified when people refuses to take responsibility for what they have voted for.

No it doesn’t.

It shows they pledge ‘to listen’ after defeats (some big) but don’t at all.

Same from posters on here who just insult etc instead of engaging.

For example many women care about sex based rights, maybe they’ll listen to them.

It does.

You have no idea what a Labour government would have been like. It didn't govern. You are automatically saying what the Conservatives have been saying - they are worse than us.

And you bought it. For 11 years. And you will keep buying it.

Hence the definition for insanity.