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To wonder how you feel today if you voted for Boris Johnson at the last election?

545 replies

Readyforthegoodlife · 31/01/2022 16:20

It’s absolutely no surprise that Boris is behaving in this way but I cannot actually believe that we have a prime minister like this. He is utterly morally bankrupt. If you voted for him how do you feel now?

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Yeahthat · 01/02/2022 16:34

@theDudesmummy

Enormous advantages to being British and living in the UK? I left the UK because this was not true any more. Believe me, there are much better places, and within three years I will have my EU freedom of movement back again...
I didn't say that the UK was perfect, but yes there are enormous advantages to being British. That's if you've managed to retain a sense of perspective since 2016.

Incidentally I have family from Ireland, and would be interested to hear your analysis of why Sinn Fein was able to surprise so many at the last election. Surely that was a sign of some sort of dissatisfaction with the status quo?

notimagain · 01/02/2022 16:42

@Lolamento

Also, look at the tyrants such as Macron, Trudeau and Arden and feel much better to be here.

Dare I ask have you come to the conclusion these people are tyrants after spending time living in France, Canada and NZ or is it based on what you’ve read in the UK Press?

As an aside and as a FWIW at least one of those countries will pursue politicians up to including former heads of state if they have been deemed to have miss behaved whilst in public office….how does that compare with the UKs attitude to politicians miss behaving?

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/30/nicolas-sarkozy-guilty-illegally-financing-2012-election-campaign

Yeahthat · 01/02/2022 16:48

[quote notimagain]@Lolamento

Also, look at the tyrants such as Macron, Trudeau and Arden and feel much better to be here.

Dare I ask have you come to the conclusion these people are tyrants after spending time living in France, Canada and NZ or is it based on what you’ve read in the UK Press?

As an aside and as a FWIW at least one of those countries will pursue politicians up to including former heads of state if they have been deemed to have miss behaved whilst in public office….how does that compare with the UKs attitude to politicians miss behaving?

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/30/nicolas-sarkozy-guilty-illegally-financing-2012-election-campaign[/quote]
Lol
"You can't form an opinion on a country unless you've lived there. And certainly not from what you read in the UK press".

"Here's my opinion on France, backed up by an article in the UK press".

Cattenberg · 01/02/2022 16:58

The final part to your post is rather undone by Boris' desperate (and already on record as untrue) attempt to smear Starmer re Jimmy Saville today.

As false allegations go, that one is particularly nasty.

theDudesmummy · 01/02/2022 17:12

@Yeahthat I do happen to feel being British is a burden rather than an advantage now. With respect to Sinn Fein, oh there is absolutely dissent and dissatisfaction in Ireland, and plenty of cause for that to be so, no doubt about it. Ireland is not paradise, but on measues of democracy and integrity it scores well above the UK. And I would just rather be here, and am pleased every day brings me closer to regaing my EU citizenship.

theDudesmummy · 01/02/2022 17:14

The J Savile smear was outrageous. Especially when you consider Johnson's opinion of the IICSA and also the Tory Party's specific history with Savile.

notimagain · 01/02/2022 17:14

@Yeahthat..

And there I was trying to be slightly helpful on an English language forum..

Here’s something more native..

www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2021/03/01/nicolas-sarkozy-condamne-a-trois-ans-de-prison-dont-un-an-ferme-dans-l-affaire-des-ecoutes_6071580_823448.html

Yeahthat · 01/02/2022 17:20

@notimagain

I have no problem with you citing press articles. Just laughably hypocritical for you to use them to back up your point with one, whilst telling others that they can't believe anything written in the press. Presumably the PP has also read the details of those countries covid policies etc and formed an opinion.

Does your point stand for historical events also, if you didn't live through it then you can't form an opinion?

Blossomtoes · 01/02/2022 17:21

The modern Labour Party in a nutshell. A bizarre mixture of contempt for the country, student union level identity politics and 1970s style socialism.

You assume I am a member of the Labour Party or I vote for it. Wrong on both counts.

I'd also suggest that you very little awareness of the rest of the world if you don't realise that there are enormous advantages to being a British citizen and/or living in the UK. You're an incredibly privileged individual to be able to take that for granted.

Normally I’d agree with you. It’s a cesspit under this apology for a government.

notimagain · 01/02/2022 17:38

[quote Yeahthat]@notimagain

I have no problem with you citing press articles. Just laughably hypocritical for you to use them to back up your point with one, whilst telling others that they can't believe anything written in the press. Presumably the PP has also read the details of those countries covid policies etc and formed an opinion.

Does your point stand for historical events also, if you didn't live through it then you can't form an opinion?[/quote]
Nice job of trying to deflect and I find it interesting you are willing to nitpick some posts but are seemingly happy to simply assume the pp has read details of those countries Covid policies…

Some of the UK MSM do certainly try to create an interesting and often incorrect impression of how some countries are governed and the personalities of their leading politicians…

The question I posed still remains, the pp claimed that Macron, Trudeau and Arden are tyrants..is that opinion based on their experiences in those countries, is it solely the product formed from the UK MSM, or have they come to that conclusion by some other means.

daimbarsatemydogsbone · 01/02/2022 17:41

The question I posed still remains, the pp claimed that Macron, Trudeau and Arden are tyrants..is that opinion based on their experiences in those countries, is it solely the product formed from the UK MSM, or have they come to that conclusion by some other means.

They probably came to it from qanon.

Yeahthat · 01/02/2022 17:45

@notimagain

Ah, so now it's just "some" of the (UK) MSM - presumably the ones that you don't like.

In fact there's no need for me to "deflect" about anything. I'm pointing out your hypocrisy.

You still haven't answered my question of whether we can opine on historical events without having lived through them? Also, for example, I've never been to Sweden. Is it acceptable for me to believe that it exists as I've seen evidence of it without having lived there?

Yeahthat · 01/02/2022 17:48

@daimbarsatemydogsbone

The question I posed still remains, the pp claimed that Macron, Trudeau and Arden are tyrants..is that opinion based on their experiences in those countries, is it solely the product formed from the UK MSM, or have they come to that conclusion by some other means.

They probably came to it from qanon.

I know, right. The PP doesn't agree with you, therefore there's only one possibility - they're an irrational maniac. If only there was some way we could stop these irrational people (the ones who don't agree with you) from voting.
Kendodd · 01/02/2022 17:54

@Twillow

Kendodd

Well @Russianspy101 seems absolutely delighted with the job Johnson is doing.
I'm sure Putin is as well.

The irony has escaped you,

Of course I get the stupid Orwell references.
Thing is, I don't think this country being dragged through the absolute gutter by an electorate delighted to put a racist, misogynist, liar into number 10 is one bit funny.
And yes, Putin will be delighted.

Lurkeycakewoman · 01/02/2022 17:59

Our Tory MP appeared to do the good job and pleased people in my constituency voted like a Labour MP UNTIL he became a whip then a minister then he became a complete out and out Tory. People still think the sun shines out his arse and Boris is great even though we are a massively deprived area and I still would never vote Tory Grin

notimagain · 01/02/2022 18:13

[quote Yeahthat]@notimagain

Ah, so now it's just "some" of the (UK) MSM - presumably the ones that you don't like.

In fact there's no need for me to "deflect" about anything. I'm pointing out your hypocrisy.

You still haven't answered my question of whether we can opine on historical events without having lived through them? Also, for example, I've never been to Sweden. Is it acceptable for me to believe that it exists as I've seen evidence of it without having lived there?[/quote]
Nope, that’s still deflection…

TomPinch · 01/02/2022 19:18

I'm also waiting to hear about why Jacinda Ardern is a tyrant. My view of her and her government is that they are slightly bumbly, amiable, and highly motivated by the public good.

If it's because of NZ's covid restrictions, well that's hilarious. We've had fewer than anyone, over time, because we kept the virus out for so long.

MarshaBradyo · 01/02/2022 19:27

@TomPinch

I'm also waiting to hear about why Jacinda Ardern is a tyrant. My view of her and her government is that they are slightly bumbly, amiable, and highly motivated by the public good.

If it's because of NZ's covid restrictions, well that's hilarious. We've had fewer than anyone, over time, because we kept the virus out for so long.

Are you outside Auckland, they had it tough not as bad as here maybe but any long lockdown is hard.

What’s going on with the polls for JA?

Fittleswade · 01/02/2022 19:31

I voted for him. Sigh. I think he needs to go. I have been politically homeless for a long time now and I blame ALL of the parties for the shambles we're in now. Voting for Corbyn was untenable. Any elected government needs a strong opposition, and that's been sadly lacking for far too long.

Yeahthat · 01/02/2022 19:41

@Fittleswade

I voted for him. Sigh. I think he needs to go. I have been politically homeless for a long time now and I blame ALL of the parties for the shambles we're in now. Voting for Corbyn was untenable. Any elected government needs a strong opposition, and that's been sadly lacking for far too long.
Yes, the Labour supporters and activists have developed this canned response that when discussing the Conservative election win that put Johnson in power, it now has to be done without reference to Corbyn.

That's nonsense. Those were the options at the time. The fact that many people had low expectations of Johnson as PM, but believed that Corbyn was the worse option, is and will continue to be relevant for as long as this question is asked.

PenStation · 01/02/2022 19:43

I blame ALL of the parties for the shambles we're in now. Voting for Corbyn was untenable. Any elected government needs a strong opposition, and that's been sadly lacking for far too long.

Totally agree. Corbyn was a cult and now we have the cult of Boris. There’s been no one credible to vote for for too long.

Flingingmelon · 01/02/2022 19:46

I still think Corbyn would have been worse, which is saying something.

StoneofDestiny · 01/02/2022 19:52

There are bigger things to worry about, such as troops being amassed on the borders of Ukraine

Yeh - the bloke who cannot control what is going on in Number 10 and his own flat is the right man to control Russia. 😂😂😂😂

Batholemubrecht · 01/02/2022 19:55

@Yeahthat Starmer is leader now and completely different. I guess what is relevant is that charisma and populist rhetoric do not make an honourable PM. Both options were bad but no one can deny that Johnson wasn't a candidate with questionable morals - we knew that years ago but a plummy accent and patrician bearing seem to impress brits.

StoneofDestiny · 01/02/2022 19:55

I still think Corbyn would have been worse

You will never know - but what is a fact is Corbyn is not responsible for any of this mess. It Johnson and the Tories who are totally responsible.