To wonder how you feel today if you voted for Boris Johnson at the last election?

[Readyforthegoodlife]

It’s absolutely no surprise that Boris is behaving in this way but I cannot actually believe that we have a prime minister like this. He is utterly morally bankrupt. If you voted for him how do you feel now?

@OhWhyNot

Did you know that many of our lives improved under Thatcher years … why do you think she was so popular with many working class people, with many immigrants (my Asian family love her)

It doesn’t suit the argument does it that all Tory polices are awful terrible and the poor suffer and all Tory voters are scum

Politics isn’t so black and white it isn’t so simplistic

I am not crazy enough to claim everything one party does is good or bad. I believe Thatcher and her policies were where the rot set in for a decent society in the UK and the start of a more selfish individualistic culture that's been popular ever since.

Like most post-war governments, Thatcher never had a majority of voters voting for her BTW.

I am planning to leave the UK after 59 years as it is becoming far too selfish, nasty and corrupt place to live - and I never thought I'd say that.

I ma pleased the Thatcher years were beneficial for you - in my opinion we became much poorer as a nation then and since.

@Iggly

Great. I don't pay taxes in order to rectify historic injustices, nor do I want a government which thinks that its job is to even things up for the rest of the world.

I want a government which puts this country first.

Until the Labour Party has the desire to do so (or is capable of so much as appearing to actually like the country that they want to govern), I won't be voting for them.

[quote Yeahthat]@Iggly

Great. I don't pay taxes in order to rectify historic injustices, nor do I want a government which thinks that its job is to even things up for the rest of the world.

I want a government which puts this country first.

Until the Labour Party has the desire to do so (or is capable of so much as appearing to actually like the country that they want to govern), I won't be voting for them.[/quote]
We don’t live in a bubble of the UK only. We benefit from a global economy.

So until we become wholly self sufficient - which is never as we have a terrible habit of selling our assets to international/foreign corporations - then sadly, we do have to pay attention to global events.

Again you are looking at the party as a whole only one way of thinking

Not all Tory MP’s back every policy, not all Tory voters back every policy

I’m a labour voter and party member (returned after the Corbyn years) I do not back every policy or think all Labour/Tory voters have the same views.

Political debate has become so simplified so black and white. It’s odd that so many will call those who voted for Johnson to be PM or voted leave stupid when they can’t move on themselves from Tory = damnation for the poor

And like wise though posted as positive remarks Asian immigrants are more diverse than how you seem to perceive them to be

Political debate has become so simplified so black and white. It’s odd that so many will call those who voted for Johnson to be PM or voted leave stupid when they can’t move on themselves from Tory = damnation for the poor

I agree.

I took it upon myself to try and find out what the Tories stood for and went and read some founding texts.

And actually, I couldn’t find anything that said that fundamentally would change the system to make it easier overall for those who were born without wealth to gain wealth.

We have limited resources and the Conservatives want to keep it in the hands who have it already. Ultimately that will only keep the rich richer and leave not much for the rest of us however they try and spin it.

So I should say I only partly agree but I’ve tried to inform myself!

Hi truthfullylying, ok that's cool. You vote the way you vote because you want to see greater social mobility. I also want to see greater social mobility. I've experienced a lot of social mobility in my life and I think it's a good thing as long as it's based on merit. I also think social mobility should go down as well as up. There are too many mediocre people out there who have a platform just because they're middle class. I would like to hear more working class voices and views in public in general.

You've helped me gain greater perspective on why I vote the way I do and why my voting patterns have changed so much at different points in my life.

That's overblown, cliche, guilt tripping nonsense and you know it.

No, @potniatheron, it’s the truth based on your own words.

bUt cOrByN

The policies/manifesto aligned mostly with what I agreed with at the time so I feel fine 🤷‍♀️

I didn’t vote for him, but early on I thought he was treated unfairly and generally got dumped on because of partisanship. Now, I really loathe him. He’s not a moral man.

@Iggly

Where did I say that I believe the UK is or can be wholly and entirely self-sufficient?

I stated that I don't pay taxes in order to rectify historical injustices such as colonisation or the slave trade, and that I want a government which is patriotic and puts this country first.

@Iggly

ie trade is mutually beneficial. Telling British taxpayers (as Nadia Whittome has attempted to do) that they should be responsible for anyone, anywhere in the world wants to come and live here is NOT beneficial to me, my family, my community nor the country, in any way. I don't intend to ever vote for anyone who thinks this way. This is a nation-state, not an NGO.

[quote Yeahthat]@Iggly

ie trade is mutually beneficial. Telling British taxpayers (as Nadia Whittome has attempted to do) that they should be responsible for anyone, anywhere in the world wants to come and live here is NOT beneficial to me, my family, my community nor the country, in any way. I don't intend to ever vote for anyone who thinks this way. This is a nation-state, not an NGO.[/quote]
Can you post a link that substantiates that claim about Nadia Whittome?
I googled but all I can find is her speech praising a House of Lords Amendment to the new Immigration Bill - and that's not the same thing at all.

[quote Yeahthat]@Iggly

ie trade is mutually beneficial. Telling British taxpayers (as Nadia Whittome has attempted to do) that they should be responsible for anyone, anywhere in the world wants to come and live here is NOT beneficial to me, my family, my community nor the country, in any way. I don't intend to ever vote for anyone who thinks this way. This is a nation-state, not an NGO.[/quote]
Why wouldn’t it benefit you? There are huge staff shortages in the NHS and social care, those could very easily be filled with immigration and it would benefit all of us.

@daimbarsatemydogsbone

Quote:

"To stop people dying in the Channel, we must completely reimagine our immigration system.

The status quo is free movement for the rich only. FM for all would not only benefit the person moving, it would reduce exploitation by criminal gangs and employers, benefitting everyone.

There’s enough to go around. We’re the 6th richest nation but £ is in the hands of people who don’t care about the working class, whether from Stoke or Syria. "

mobile.twitter.com/NadiaWhittomeMP/status/1475185226984964106

"Enough to go around". Brilliant idea! Just throw taxpayers money round like confetti, while we can't house, provide adequate medical care, and a quality education for all of our own citizens!

@Blossomtoes

That's called a functioning immigration system. No, it doesn't mean simply free movement for all.

[quote Yeahthat]@Blossomtoes

That's called a functioning immigration system. No, it doesn't mean simply free movement for all.[/quote]
Then we clearly don’t have a functioning immigration system. It can only be made better.

@Blossomtoes

Agree that it could be made better. However, Whittome's idea of simply opening up in an entirely unrestricted manner to anyone and everyone who wants to come here, is arrant nonsense.

It’s beyond me why anyone would want to come here. The UK looks like a basket case to the rest of the world.

[quote Yeahthat]@daimbarsatemydogsbone

Quote:

"To stop people dying in the Channel, we must completely reimagine our immigration system.

The status quo is free movement for the rich only. FM for all would not only benefit the person moving, it would reduce exploitation by criminal gangs and employers, benefitting everyone.

There’s enough to go around. We’re the 6th richest nation but £ is in the hands of people who don’t care about the working class, whether from Stoke or Syria. "

mobile.twitter.com/NadiaWhittomeMP/status/1475185226984964106

"Enough to go around". Brilliant idea! Just throw taxpayers money round like confetti, while we can't house, provide adequate medical care, and a quality education for all of our own citizens![/quote]
Thanks - I think this is being quoted out of context - all she is saying is that the ending the EU freedom of movement was replacing it with a system where you have free movement for people earning over a cerain amount only, and that precludes the care workers for example (she's a former care worker) who previously came here under EU FOM, that's all - by "for all" she means all EU as previously.

As for Just throw taxpayers money round like confetti I think recent Tory policy seems to be just that, if you are their mates.

[quote Yeahthat]@Blossomtoes

Agree that it could be made better. However, Whittome's idea of simply opening up in an entirely unrestricted manner to anyone and everyone who wants to come here, is arrant nonsense.[/quote]
That isn't what she was saying, it's being quoted out of context.

@Blossomtoes

It’s beyond me why anyone would want to come here. The UK looks like a basket case to the rest of the world.

The modern Labour Party in a nutshell. A bizarre mixture of contempt for the country, student union level identity politics and 1970s style socialism.

It's a wonder that they haven't won an election for fifteen years.

I'd also suggest that you very little awareness of the rest of the world if you don't realise that there are enormous advantages to being a British citizen and/or living in the UK. You're an incredibly privileged individual to be able to take that for granted.

In any case, she isn't voicing Labour party policy.

@daimbarsatemydogsbone

In any case, she isn't voicing Labour party policy.

Lol

"I haven't heard her say this, where's the quote?"

"OK that's what she was quoted saying, but it's not what she meant"

"Even if she did say it, it's not party policy".

And you criticise Boris Johnson for dissembling?