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To think not having a funeral is OK?

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jevoudrais · 29/01/2022 10:32

Looking at prepaying funeral or cremation plans for DH and I. I've realised you can do a direct cremation without a funeral service.

Does anyone think this robs anyone of the chance to say goodbye? My brother died last year and the wait for the funeral was horrendous. The funeral was horrendous. I can't say I've found the six funerals I've been to in my life remotely helpful in any way for grieving and such like. I feel they have dragged the grieving out further, if anything.

If we go for direct cremations, are we going to cause our DC issues by taking that experience of planning and attending a funeral away from them?

YANBU - direct cremation sounds easy and simple
YABU - it's not up to you, it's the decision of those left behind (but I fear they would do a funeral because they feel they 'should'?)

OP posts:
WeighaFreya · 30/01/2022 02:43

@Torunette

What I would say is think carefully about dispensing with rituals.

Rituals create boundaries, and recognise a transition into a different stage of the life course. As humans, we created them for a purpose.

I would argue funerals are not really about "saying goodbye". On a deeper level, they are more about recognising formally that something significant has changed, that life going forward will be different than how it was before, and that change being formally registered by a wider circle of people.

Not doing the funeral ritual does not dispense with the pain. It is a way for the living to face it, rather than tuck it away -- to face the "goneness" of death.

There is also a lot of evidence to suggest that humans cannot really process that a death has really occurred to a close loved one until they see a body. They need that visual closure.

I worry sometimes that we react to rituals that feel old-fashioned by chucking them out, rather than reforming them. There are lots of funeral directors who will work with a family to deliver a ritual that is not old-fashioned. My mother, for example, had a white wool coffin and a service at a local memorial chapel with poems and a eulogy written as though it was a fairy tale.

And her funeral was extremely painful, though there were moments of smiling. But it was necessary. It was a event that marked the transition between being a married man and a widower for my DF, and having a living mother and no longer having a living mother for me.

I would suggest that if you dispense with a funeral, you need to put something else of equal weight in place. The problem there is that a very alternative ritual with no real antecedents for that purpose may not be sufficiently resonant enough to hit the right psychological notes for attendees, and there are dangers of going somewhere that, at the moment you turn up, ends up feeling very inappropriate.

I agree totally with the above,

Having only got half way through the thread so far I don't know if anyone has mentioned having a Humanist celebrant. My son's funeral was the first I had done anything other than bog standard C of E. Bog standard for my family of origen that is - I don't consider it the norm for everyone of course.

She made it an incredibly personal ceremony. Not religious, but giving a respectful acknowledgement and space for those of religious convictions .

Bolstered by this, my daughter and I went for a Humanist celebrant for my husband a year later. He was great and with his support and help from the hospital mortury staff my daughter and I did not use a funeral director. Made the service totally ours and how my husband would have appreciated it.

So, when planning whatever comes next when someone you love dies, it's OK to do it a bit differently.

We're thinking about mine now and I'm owning it in advance. It should be an interesting experience and I've found myself inviting people in advance.

The mark of a sucessful funeral, IMO, is to think 'I wish the deceased could have been here, it was just right for them and they'd have appreciated it'

Not like my father's. A dire off the peg service. Absolutely awful.

Link to the Humanist website -> humanists.uk/ceremonies/non-religious-funerals/

SquirrelG · 30/01/2022 02:46

Part of the reason you may have to wait is legal: if the person's death was unexpected ie they did not have a terminal illness/were not at the stage of 'end of life care' and particularly if their own doctor hadn't seen them as a patient for a few weeks, then a coroner will be involved and there will be a postmortem. And you can't have the funeral until the coroner's office sign the relevant form.

I understand that - but we have unexpected deaths in NZ as well, and there is no great wait time for post mortems. The only time a funeral will be held more than a week after death is usually if there is a time delay in family members being able to get to the funeral.

SquirrelG · 30/01/2022 02:51

There is also a lot of evidence to suggest that humans cannot really process that a death has really occurred to a close loved one until they see a body. They need that visual closure.

For some people, but we are all different. I didn't see my DM's body after death, and I had a direct cremation for her. I processed the fact that she was dead as soon as I heard the news (she died suddenly in a rest home) - and my mother and I were very close. I wanted to remember her as she was the last time I saw her. I didn't have her ashes interred until recently - she died almost two years ago - and felt no differently afterwards than I did before. Some of us really don't require "closure".

DerAlteMann · 30/01/2022 03:02

MIL had direct cremation. We said goodbye when we scattered her ashes. DW loved it so much, she wants the same and I agree with her.

Furries · 30/01/2022 03:03

What I’m finding difficult from this thread is some people asserting that the “dead” have no rights over their personal wishes.

I totally get that some people may find a full-on service comforting/cathartic etc. but to go against what the deceased wishes just feels wrong to me.

Personalky, I would find it hugely disrespectful, to the person that has died, to ignore their final wish. It might not be what I want, but that person mattered in life and, if they expressed their wish beforehand, then that is what I’d honour. My grief would be my grief - it would never override what the person I loved had expressed as their preference.

SquirrelG · 30/01/2022 03:34

@Furries - I agree. While funerals may be for the living rather than the dead, if someone has made known their funeral wishes it is disrespectful to ignore them just because they don't suit what the family want.

NewbieDivergent · 30/01/2022 03:45

Have started discussing this with my mum,shes 66,has copd and heavy smoker with a well hearty drinking life so who knows how long shes got.She is adamant about being cremated so the plan at the moment is direct cremation and a piss up celebration of her life(should be fun I'm teatotal) all siblings happy to go along with her wishes.

Hesma · 30/01/2022 07:29

Personally I think this is something that should be talking to your DC about. Explain your experience and thinking to them otherwise yes, you may be making their grieving process harder.

SleepQuest33 · 30/01/2022 08:22

I’m loving the sound of a direct burial, hadn’t heard of it.
I’m pretty sure I’ve read that cremations are terrible for the environment.
Also scattering ashes is really bad for wildlife.
So I’m hoping for a simple biodegradable coffin with a tree planted near me.

WeatherwaxOn · 30/01/2022 08:46

Can't see voting but the no funeral thing is what one of my parents wanted. So that's what we did.
Some months later we organised a celebration of their life, inviting friends and family to get together. We had a nice time (although tineged with sadness that parent wasn't there, obviously). I think I would prefer that, too.

A friend of mine who doesn't have a long life expectancy had just made arrangements for andirect cremation for themselves too.

JoBrodie · 30/01/2022 11:08

My lovely dad (died 2016) stipulated no funeral and he wanted cremation. I didn't know about Direct Disposal until a friend mentioned it and my dad would have loved the efficiency of it. The funeral receptionist person I spoke to about it, with my online print-out from some 'Funeral Options Today' website, hadn't heard of it herself but agreed to get back to me and everyone said 'yes, that's fine'.

They wrote me a letter to say his body would be picked up from the hospital morgue on Day X and taken to Crematorium Y for cremation at Time Z. I wasn't forbidden from attending but it wasn't expected (there's nothing in place for visitors or guests really so it would be a bit odd) and for his ashes to be scattered in the garden there. £1,200 or thereabouts.

Dad and I were not remotely 'romantic' about death and I really wasn't in the right frame of mind to organise anything like that, and would have hated an event myself so I was quite glad he'd said that there shouldn't be one.

Jo

GloriaSicTransitMundi · 30/01/2022 11:23

Anyone done / would do this? Memorial diamonds - turn ashes into jewellery: www.lonite.co.uk/

AlDanvers · 30/01/2022 11:27

[quote GloriaSicTransitMundi]Anyone done / would do this? Memorial diamonds - turn ashes into jewellery: www.lonite.co.uk/[/quote]
I was thinking about it

But I can't get the thought out if my head that if it was lost or stolen or family in a few weeks generations forgot what it was and sold it, that part of mum could be sat round a strangers neck or on their finger.

I keep going back and forth about wether I like it or not. Would be interesting to hear others thoughts

sunshinemamabear · 30/01/2022 11:35

My husband and I actually organised this recently when getting our wills sorted. We both agreed to a cremation and then a big wake for friends and family. I absolutely hate funerals!

saddowizca · 30/01/2022 11:36

[quote GloriaSicTransitMundi]Anyone done / would do this? Memorial diamonds - turn ashes into jewellery: www.lonite.co.uk/[/quote]
I’d love to do it, think it would be lovely idea.

ABitOfAShitShow · 30/01/2022 11:40

[quote GloriaSicTransitMundi]Anyone done / would do this? Memorial diamonds - turn ashes into jewellery: www.lonite.co.uk/[/quote]
My friend and her mum both have a ring from her nan's ashes. It’s a nice idea.

itsjustnotok · 30/01/2022 11:54

@ SportsMother I totally disagree. As a country we are terrible when it comes to talking about death. If this is what OP wants then it’s a conversation to have with her family to let them know her wishes, so they understand why. There are many ways to say goodbye and it doesn’t need to be done in the traditional way. If it’s discussed and everyone is aware it certainly isn’t a ‘fuck off’.

Oldraver · 30/01/2022 12:03

We had a conversation about this recently after seeing one of the ads on tv. I would prefer not to have the rigmarole of a funeral unless its what my family wanted to help them

When DH died I felt like you, that the funeral prolonged the pain, some people behaved badly and were very critical which only added to the stress. I went along with what was the done thing as I didnt think there was an alternative, and I really wish I hadnt of done it. I think it was quite difficult for teen DS as well

Blossomtoes · 30/01/2022 12:25

I think it was quite difficult for teen DS as well

Of course it was. It would have been devastating whatever you’d done. Grief hurts yet we seem to be hell bent on avoiding perfectly natural pain which is a part of the human condition. It’s supposed to hurt when we lose someone we love.

McScreamysGhostPants · 30/01/2022 12:29

Me and my OH have got a woodland burial plot all sorted out. No fancy funeral, we are to be wrapped in a sheet and buried. That's it. The money that we would spend on a funeral is to be used on a family holiday. I don't want them coming back to our graves either. Add long as they remember me fondly and tell the occasional story about me to their kids them that's all I need. I don't want them to mourn, I want them to celebrate life.

Porcupineintherough · 30/01/2022 13:28

[quote GloriaSicTransitMundi]Anyone done / would do this? Memorial diamonds - turn ashes into jewellery: www.lonite.co.uk/[/quote]
Now you see to me the idea of wearing part of a loved one is awful. I guess we all grieve in our own way.

Westerman · 30/01/2022 13:36

If funerals weren't so bloody expensive then maybe I might feel differently, but I've told my family that I don't want a funeral, just a direct cremation. I just don't see the point of funerals. My grief felt no different after my mother's funeral. 'Closure' means absolutely nothing. There is no heaven to send me off to.
I'm delighted that there are now ways to deal with it all that don't involve the rigmarole.

Wreath21 · 30/01/2022 13:38

@SquirrelG

Part of the reason you may have to wait is legal: if the person's death was unexpected ie they did not have a terminal illness/were not at the stage of 'end of life care' and particularly if their own doctor hadn't seen them as a patient for a few weeks, then a coroner will be involved and there will be a postmortem. And you can't have the funeral until the coroner's office sign the relevant form.

I understand that - but we have unexpected deaths in NZ as well, and there is no great wait time for post mortems. The only time a funeral will be held more than a week after death is usually if there is a time delay in family members being able to get to the funeral.

TBH I suspect that the longer wait time over here has something to do with the longstanding British problem of public services (mortuaries/coroners/healthcare) being underfunded and understaffed. There is literally only so much work any one person can process in any one day.
Wreath21 · 30/01/2022 13:42

[quote GloriaSicTransitMundi]Anyone done / would do this? Memorial diamonds - turn ashes into jewellery: www.lonite.co.uk/[/quote]
I always rather liked the idea but when I mentioned it to my mum her reaction was 'don't be daft, I'll be leaving you real diamonds anyway'.

There are various things you can do with ashes, should you wish. A mate of mine wants to be part of an artificial coral reef and (sorry to lower the tone) there's always 21 Grams.

Thevoiceofreason2021 · 30/01/2022 13:44

Funerals are for the living, not the dead.
I know people who lost loved ones during Covid and they felt robbed of the funeral - a chance to say goodbye and for friends and family to reunite. Every culture is different, as is every family. Just do what suits your family - as you won’t be around to partake.