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Pregnant, feel let down by my fiancé and thinking of moving out.

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Firstchilddue2022 · 27/01/2022 05:14

Fiancé and I have been together 2 and a half years. He is 27 and has a daughter from an ex who lives overseas. I'm 33 and expecting my first baby in August. The first trimester is kicking my butt... Literally. I'm currently bed bound with morning sickness and (TMI alert) am not sleeping well due to a huge haemorrhoid caused by gnarly constipation. I'm also coming out in rashes on my arms.

Fiancé and I both work full time and I have always done the majority of the housework. I realise now how much of a mistake that was. Since the morning sickness got very bad 3 weeks ago I've been focusing on trying to work and take care of myself. I hoped fiancé would pick up the slack, at first he did quite well but after a week and a half he started to do much less. Now he will cook a nutritional meal maybe twice a week. He's not done a weekly shop yet only a shop to last a day or two. As a result I've had to order a lot of takeaways and it's definitely not helping my constipation.

I am sleeping almost naked in January because I have no clean clothes to wear since he's doing all the laundry. The toilet is too dirty for me to be sick in and the house is generally not in a good state. He's hardly spending any time in the bedroom with me but he always has a spare 3-4hrs every night to watch TV and get drunk. He's not very good at taking responsibility. He often oversleeps and is late for work, he forgets his mums birthday, he always forgets things when shopping and he doesn't brush his teeth every day then gets excruciating toothache that he doesn't see the dentist for.

I'll admit, we have a housemate who I'm 99% sure has never cleaned the bathroom in the 2 years he's lived here. He's never deep cleaned any part of the house and the state of his windowsill got us in trouble with the landlord (mould).

Fiancé has accepted he has depression and WAS trying to seek help. He admits he has a drinking problem but doesn't think its a problem worth addressing in any serious manner even though he knows it upsets me a lot.

I love him so much. I wanted a baby with him to begin with but after the first pregnancy (which ended in a miscarriage) I realised he wasn't exactly what I considered father material. I realise now that we continued trying because I wanted to be a mum. Now I feel let down again and he seems resentful of me doing so little around the house. I tried to take a bin out this week and vomited. He definitely doesn't understand how miserable my condition is making me, nor how much more I need of him.

Am I fighting a losing battle asking him to step up? Am I being too hasty looking to move out? We're starting couples counseling on Monday and I'm hoping it will help but I don't think he's ready or able to make the fundamental changes I need. Am I being unreasonable?

OP posts:
youvegottenminuteslynn · 28/01/2022 20:24

But OP he quite deliberately doesn't do stuff, knowing him not doing it causes you grief. Even while you're pregnant. That's not acceptable behaviour.

It's weaponised incompetence at best and misogyny at worst when a man like him, and his friend, don't expect to be equally responsible with you when it comes to cooking and cleaning.

They think you should do more and they should do the absolute bare minimum... and not even that if they're adults leaving shit stains in the toilet bowl.

SlashBeef · 28/01/2022 20:26

@bonetiredwithtwins

I actually agree with you *@ToughLoveLDN*

Just because we can have children doesn't mean we should - I see it all too often on MN where posters just sound so entitled to a child - they want one so obviously they simply must have one

This doesn't sound like a healthy happy or long lived relationship - ultimately it will be the child that suffers

But if you say this you just get accused of pushing eugenics 🙄 you're not allowed to advise people to ensure they're in a stable, safe situation to have a baby.
ToughLoveLDN · 28/01/2022 20:58

That was the exact point of my comment @bonetiredwithtwins Because as a parent the choices we make have such a huge impact on our children. It’s beyond me why any one would purposefully choose to bring a child into such an unhealthy situation.

Rosebuud · 28/01/2022 21:09

@Firstchilddue2022

Wow that's a real horror story. You're stronger than I am. He definitely sounds like a dreadful man. My fiance never does anything deliberately to cause me grief. It sounds like your ex did. Glad you got out of it when your life was in danger. Many don't 😔
This is so sad, you think his behaviour is not deliberate? So that makes it easier?

That’s just so very sad indeed,

Tamworth123 · 28/01/2022 21:32

I'm a bit Confused about this narrative re his child, ex, relocation and solicitor/court; both the UK and Ireland (Presuming its the Republic of Ireland) have long been signed up to the Hague convention re children.

He would have had a case to prevent her from relocating with their child, or "forcing" a return - for a year at least, if he had had access to their child.

(Also there's the point that several posted raised that he could have relocated himself; it's a short distance, same language, eu citizens has working rights and there are presumably still working rights even with brexit for UK citizens ..if it affected him to the extent of depression and drinking too much, why not relocate (it seems like his ex had tried to facilitate access/contact).

The narrative doesn't seem to hang together, and hos behaviour now - when he should be apparently overjoyed and highlymotivated at rhe second/new chance he's got at active, involved, FT fatherhood (since largely losing the first made him drink heavily Hmm), look at how he's acting at the first hurdle- the mother of his child being laid low by first trimester severe morning sickness. He's changed nothing, and he's doing v little.

I reckon he was a fkg disaster in his relationship wity his ex and as a father, she moved home (?) for support and he was neither willing/interested/motivated (nor well thought of enough as a parent) to launch any counter action. She probably only facilitates contact ongoing because shes a decent person and doesnt want to.cut him out entirely and not let her child at least be familiar with their bio father.

Firstchilddue2022 · 28/01/2022 21:33

OK FOLKS

This is going to be my last post because although some of what has been said has been helpful, a lot of it has been really hurtful and unnecessary. The helpful stuff has included those suggesting I move out, but the most helpful was the non-judgemental stuff. Judging people is not ok unless you are literally a judge. It never helps, it just makes someone feel like shit and if that's your thing then I pity you more than you would ever pity me. I know there is a 0% chance I will be raising a judgemental child. Some of you might not be so fortunate.

I know numerous happy, well-adjusted children who had a genuinely turbulent start to life. I know children who grew up in nuclear middle class families and killed themselves or became heroin addicts. Will this baby have an economic advantage? No, that's capitalism for you. Will this baby grow up in a single-parent household? Maybe, I don't know yet but there are worse things in life than having a single mother.

Did I backtrack? No. My post was highlighting the problem behaviour of my fiance and housemate (who is one of my best friends) because that's what I needed help with and I didn't want to write an essay. I corrected a few exaggerations and I felt the need to defend them when some of you went a bit guns-blazing on the accusations. They are good imperfect people. Some of you might think you're perfect but you came on a mumsnet thread just to put a struggling pregnant woman down so... nice going.

I work full-time, by the way the official title of my job is homeless recovery coordinator. I didn't know when I applied for the job that it was drug and alcohol recovery work. I thought it was just helping homeless people to get housed. Turned out I'm actually pretty good at it. I've had really positive responses from some of the most chaotic entrenched and desperate people in my town. I'm pretty sure if I can get a homeless heroin addict housed, off drugs and working in less than 6 months I can do motherhood. I want more than anything else to be a mum. Imagine if you had been told you can never have children, not even adopted. Honestly, I would have an empty void in my life, I'd probably become a crazy cat lady. So to tell me I shouldn't have children "just because I can." Seriously screw you. I want children, I have a right to have children and your attitude is super stuck up. We can't all be middle class.

I didn't know my fiance had a problem with alcohol until a few months into our relationship. He actually came across as very mature and stable, that's one of the things that attracted me to him. I like men who have their shit together. So no, armchair psychologists, I don't have a "rescuer complex." And I really don't think he took advantage of my desire to have kids. I think that's a bit of an odd analysis if I'm honest. We didn't even talk about it in the beginning. Ya know, when we fell in love.

I will absolutely agree I enabled them both to shirk responsibility. I am owning that and changing things now. I will also accept that I didn't "pick" the best choice of father in this situation. I think it's worth considering how much of your attitudes about this are driven by objective reasons and how much is societal norms. Whether or not he will step-up will remain to be seen. I don't know yet but his issues do appear to be mental health ones, as with my clients, people rarely develop substance misuse problems when they have good mental health.

His behaviour has not always been a problem but there is a relationship between his drinking and his lack of support. This means he can change. He can get support for his mental health and he can stop misusing alcohol. The question I still have is whether or not I can afford to wait for him to do that. The counselling on Monday may give me some idea of where to go from here.

For those curious I felt a lot less sick on Thursday even though I was up all of Wednesday night. I got a MUCH better ointment for my butt as recommended by the GP (love the NHS, don't let them take it from us!) I already had anti-nausea medication, it didn't help much. I also blitzed the bathroom and the kitchen and did 5 loads of laundry because I still wasn't well enough for work (being up all night) but I was damn sure well enough to do housework. Fiance was very quiet when he got home and realised what I had done. He suddenly started tidying areas I hadn't and offering to cook. He felt really bad.

Today I addressed them both. I talked about how things were going to change when the baby comes and asked them how they felt about the state of the bathroom. We realised quickly that we have different ideas of what "cleanliness" is. I told them there was two options then, we draw up a deep-cleaning rota or I move out. They chose the deep cleaning rota. I went through everything I did on Thursday and how long it took me.

They both admitted to the things they were doing or not doing that were a problem. They were quite sheepish and admitted they took advantage of my nurturing nature which has come from years of... you know... wanting to be a mum. They will still be imperfect but a lot of what they were doing/not doing they didn't realise bothered me but they did understand why and did not contest anything.

They both made pretty helpful suggestions as well. They are a bit gross, but they are not bad guys. They are actually a huge support for me in general and realise they let me down on this occasion. We will move into a 3 bed together at least for the time being. I will give both of them a chance. I will get myself on the housing register despite the wait. I will continue saving money because heaven forbid a mother be supported to raise the future generation by the state urgh when has that ever been beneficial to society.

I won't be coming back to this thread to read any of the vitriol that people still have for me. But I am grateful for the genuine responses from those trying to help without judgement, especially those who stuck up for me. I honestly think it's awful to tell any woman she shouldn't have a baby. My parents had the perfect environment to raise children, I'm one of six. Dad worked, mum stayed home, traditional family stuff. My dad lost his job at the start of the financial crisis. Quickly my parents found themselves struggling to afford children. I learned that life is never going to be financially secure for the working class. If you think that means we shouldn't have children then honestly screw you.

Goodnight, stay humble. Nobody is perfect, but everyone is human and deserves respect and compassion.

OP posts:
Tamworth123 · 28/01/2022 21:39

He couldn't even go and see his child on one of his apparently not very regular visits to their resident country without bringing along a gf of a few months (not even 6 months).and involving her; like couldn't even give them his undivided company/attention and not introduce a new woman he's involved with. His ex must've been rolling her eyes, no matter how polite she stayed.
You saw as him demonstrating commitment to you/seriousness with you; more like more fecklessness on his part.
Bet he had you paying a chunk of the costs too.

He's a bit of a leech and he realised you were desperate for a child and would put up with a load of shit. And what skin off his nose is it to have another child; he expects you to do everything with them, and if you break up, youll be doing everything.
With some men, getting a woman pregnant is not the huge gesture of commitment and investment that some women think it is.

Rosebuud · 28/01/2022 21:45

Oh dear op, you’re 33 too, not some kid, I wish you the best of luck but that last post of yours was so deeply disturbing. He comes first. We get it. For you nothing comes above him, your child is secondary. He is you’re be all and end all.

I think we all wish you the best of luck wit him and his primary companion, his mate, and more so your child, we wish your child luck.

Just ask for this thread to be deleted and you do what you need to do to be with him.

BridStar · 28/01/2022 21:52

Don't have children with men so fucking useless they can't even brush their teeth. How is the bar so low? Your fiance is a man so gross and lazy other women would cross the street to avoid him. You do not find marriage material in gutters.

End it and build a life. Your child deserves better than to risk ending up like its alcoholic, dirty, filthy failure of a father.

BridStar · 28/01/2022 21:54

'I work full-time, by the way the official title of my job is homeless recovery coordinator'

And that's where you found him? Not the best place to find responsible fathers... Hmm

FooKingDong · 28/01/2022 21:56

@Rosebuud

Oh dear op, you’re 33 too, not some kid, I wish you the best of luck but that last post of yours was so deeply disturbing. He comes first. We get it. For you nothing comes above him, your child is secondary. He is you’re be all and end all.

I think we all wish you the best of luck wit him and his primary companion, his mate, and more so your child, we wish your child luck.

Just ask for this thread to be deleted and you do what you need to do to be with him.

Sadly, I agree with this, following the OP's update. Nothing 'classist' about this, and I can completely understand the desire to have children. However, there are so many questions. Why did the mother of the fiance's first child move away and deny him access? Solely because she's a cow, or because he proved himself to be a pretty useless and possibly damaging father? Why is the lodger even being taken into consideration at all? Okay, so he's the fiance's particular friend - but why does that mean he has to live with them? OP, I genuinely wish you luck and hope things work out for you, but this man is a liability.
ChargingBuck · 28/01/2022 22:05

You're sounding much better OP.
Whatever happens, whatever you decide, it's going to be easier now the sickness is fading & you can feel brisk & decisive again.

Just ... beware of accepting words in place of actions.
However, you're the expert on your own life, & I'm popping off this thread now too, as I'm not interested in seeing further "debate" aka goady fuckery from PP who can't even fathom their unconscious class bias, because their avidity to stigmatise you as some feckless ne'er-do-well is getting in the way of insight & compassion.

Best of British OP Flowers

Tamworth123 · 28/01/2022 22:08

Why did the mother of the fiance's first child move away and deny him access?

It doesn't sound like she's denied him access.
He has visited his child.
But its certainly not regular "normal" access with the Irish society between them.

Tamworth123 · 28/01/2022 22:08

*Irish sea

Touslesfromages · 28/01/2022 22:10

No judgement from me OP, I know nothing is ever as clear cut as it appears from a couple of MN posts, and I agree that you've had a totally unfair bashing on here from some posters. But a lot of others are frustated on your behalf because they know this story, either because they've lived it (like me), or because they've seen it told time and time again on here by endless women just like me and you. And they know how it always ends.

You sound smart and capable, far too good for your boyfriend (yes, even after your updates), and I really, really hope it works out for you. I have no doubts about your ability to be a great parent even without the MN prerequisites of a 4 bedroomed house, a nanny and a high-salaried career in the city Wink

Good luck.

Tamworth123 · 28/01/2022 22:11

Solely because she's a cow, or because he proved himself to be a pretty useless and possibly damaging father?

I'm inclined to go for the latter too.

And he could have relocated himself, or used legal means to prevent/reverse the relocation (eg hague convention) as well (given it apparently affected him enough to cause depression and alcohol abuse).

youvegottenminuteslynn · 28/01/2022 22:35

We realised quickly that we have different ideas of what "cleanliness" is.

Expecting someone else, let alone your pregnant partner, to clean your shit off the toilet bowl isn't a difference in ideas of cleanliness though. It's not giving a fuck about other people at best and having contempt for them at worst.

MrsToothyBitch · 28/01/2022 23:08

Glad you've got an action plan OP. Just be aware as PP said that so far you've had words, not ongoing actions. I still wouldn't be in a hurry to sign a lease with this pair though. Good luck with it all.

FlowerArranger · 28/01/2022 23:43

@Firstchilddue2022 - just make sure you don't fork out the entire deposit for this 3 bedroom property you are planning to share with these 2 man-children...

cocktailclub · 29/01/2022 03:09

Another feckless man who is going to be a half hearted parent. No doubt he won't pay child support and the state will step in.
It saddens me that so many women put up with childlike lazy men then when they actually need the man to adult (when the woman is ill or pregnant) suddenly having a man child doesn't work.
He won't be any use when the baby is born. Great that you can have your longed for baby but start planning now how to do it as a single parent.

Flickflak · 29/01/2022 04:33

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RantyAunty · 29/01/2022 06:05

When's the wedding?

DefaultParent · 29/01/2022 06:50

You sound incredibly naive OP. Life isn't all turning frogs into prince's and happily ever afters. I hope your DC gets the stable home and care they deserve.

TatianaBis · 29/01/2022 09:45

The class angle is a total red herring. Your DP is dysfunctional, the set up is dysfunctional. You got knocked up with an alcoholic loser, and rather than own your mistake, set up a new life as a SP and give your baby a good start, you’re moving this whole dysfunctional roadshow to a new 3 bed.

You need to grow up and get real for your baby OP. They are not going to start cleaning the bathroom or cleaning their teeth.

Interrobanger · 29/01/2022 10:17

I don’t understand why the gooseberry lodger even needs to be a consideration. Isn’t it time for him to bow out of the picture and let you get on with it? Why on earth would he move with you to the new place?