[quote HelloFrostyMorning]@theleafandnotthetree
Most men I have ever been with have said they find me (and other women) most attractive when they are natural and windswept and in normal clothes. And unless you're living in Antarctica, no real need for thermals or even a woolly hat most days...
I don't give a shit how most men 'find me most attractive.' I will dress and look exactly how I want, WHEN I want. I have had men in the distant past thinking it's acceptable to tell me what I look better wearing, and what I should wear, and how I should look. When was younger it was always that women should always wear stilettoes and skirts, or dresses.
And I've also had men telling me I look better without make up. One man even told me I would look much better with a lot more weight on me, and he kept constantly plying me with cakes and chips when I went to his house.
Fuck how any man prefers a woman to look. EVERY WOMAN should dress, and look how SHE WANTS to look, not how MEN want her to look.
The 'women look better without make up' one is a classic negging line by men. They know that most women look better with make up on, and feel way more attractive with it on, and they worry that other men may fancy you, so that's why they hate you wearing it. They can chit chat to any woman they want, but God forbid you are chatty with other men, and certainly NOT when you have lots of make up on!
I even had a boyfriend once who chatted to other women a lot, and flirted with them greatly, yet when I had banter and chat with men, he scowled at me. He 'jokingly' called me a fucking slag, for chatting to a group of workmen one time, then dismissed me and said I was 'silly' when I kicked off and said he was disgusting to call me that. 'I was obviously joking.' he said
Yeah hilarious, being called a slag for talking to other men is a fucking hoot! 
So yeah, like fuck will I look how any man wants me to look. MY opinion on how I look is the most important.[/quote]
I am sorry that has been your experience but two of the men in my life who have commented that I looked my best working in the garden with my wellies on and my hair in a pony tail are about as far from your characterisation as its possible to get. They didn't 'stop' me from getting dressed up nor encourage me too but complimented me sincerely when I did. In other words, I dressed as I wished and appropriate to the occasion and they loved me either way but particularly liked me more natural (i.e as I am without artifice). I took that as a good thing! But now I see they were abusive bastards playing some game with me 