To think you can't be 'Pro choice' if you agree in mandate vaccinations?

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There. I said it.

[quote Eleganz]@youarefakenews

You can believe what you like.

The written policies on Trust websites are pretty clear. Trying to argue that the NHS doesn't expect staff to be immunised against a range of conditions because they have already been immunised as children is a bizarre argument. They are already immunised, if they weren't they would be expected to get immunised. Likewise the TB argument where again staff are tested and those without immunity are vaccinated. All risk based.

As for the bollocks about COVID vaccines not going through proper checks. Show your evidence for this and no, a speeded up process is not evidence given that most drugs take a long time approve because of securing funding for trials the not the science.

It seems that lots of people are just making up what they want to be the case and lack the knowledge to even see the basic flaws in what they are saying.[/quote]
Here ya go!
www.solent.nhs.uk/media/1257/healthcare-workers-screening-and-immunisation-policy.pdf

Youarefakenews and what point are you making with that link? It states quite clearly that staff who are not immune to Measles, Chicken Pox etc. must receive appropriate vaccinations. So summed up - you either bring your childhood vaccination record as proof (and who knows there might be a blood test involved, there is at our Trust), or if you can't, you get vaccinated. If you don't, you can't take up your post.

I had a colleague whose test came back with no immunity against Measles, Mumps and Rubella - she had to have the MMR before she could undertake patient facing work.

YA Definitely NBU!

@pointythings

Youarefakenews and what point are you making with that link? It states quite clearly that staff who are not immune to Measles, Chicken Pox etc. must receive appropriate vaccinations. So summed up - you either bring your childhood vaccination record as proof (and who knows there might be a blood test involved, there is at our Trust), or if you can't, you get vaccinated. If you don't, you can't take up your post.

I had a colleague whose test came back with no immunity against Measles, Mumps and Rubella - she had to have the MMR before she could undertake patient facing work.

The largest difference is that any person applying for the job can make that decision before doing so. Don't want the above vaccines, don't apply for the job The Covid vaccine is being applied retrospectively.

Imagine any other major change to your contract being implemented and the threat of sacking being the result if you do not agree.

Imagine any other major change to your contract being implemented and the threat of sacking being the result if you do not agree.

You mean like the registrar who didn't want to officiate at same sex civil ceremonies.... and was sacked?

You mean like the massive changes to public sector pensions, which made them significantly less good, which nevertheless happened?

Change is inevitable. You can't go into a job and expect things never to change. And let's face it, NHS staff have had substantial notice that this was going to happen.

These are unprecedented times, we're living through a global pandemic and anyone bleating that 'they can't change my job' is being feeble. If you can't handle change in your life, be a hermit. Frankly, this is a pathetic argument.

The quality of discourse from op and some of her supporters on this thread is DIRE; it’s Facebook levels of intellect. The pros and cons of mandatory vaccination is an interesting topic for discussion but op’s arguments are so vapid and so lacking in any sort of rigorous investigation, as well as being presented in a ‘gotcha’ sort of way, one soundbite or cliché after the other. And people just grab onto these phrases and keep repeating them - ooh, bodily autonomy / sleepwalking towards tyranny/disaster/decline - but refusing to engage with any counter arguments.

For God’s sake, say something with some substance; support your arguments with evidence, tell us something, show us your thought processes. I’m open to interesting perspectives but just can’t stand reading this wretched, naive drivel over and over again.

But it is not a change to an employment contract- the change is legislation coming into force that makes it illegal for your employer to continue to employ you in that role. Employers are not changing anyone's contract, they are having to dismiss people so they do not breach the legislation.

Indonesia was the first country to introduce a Covid vaccine mandate, in February 2021. It is extensive, allowing local government or regional health agencies to fine or refuse social assistance and government services to people who do not get vaccinated.[1]

If this is not coercion. Then I don't know what it is. This is what it's going to come to anyway.

I love how everyone is up in arms about covid vaccination being mandatory for me to do my job but nobody cared when it was just stuff like hepatitis vaccination. Such a double standard.

We have a choice: get vaccinated or do a different job. It’s not remotely comparable to abortion.

@Darkstar4855

I love how everyone is up in arms about covid vaccination being mandatory for me to do my job but nobody cared when it was just stuff like hepatitis vaccination. Such a double standard.

We have a choice: get vaccinated or do a different job. It’s not remotely comparable to abortion.

Has hepatitis caused thousands of excess deaths in the UK over the last two years?

I don't think DarkStar is objecting to the hep vaccine, she's pointing out the double standards. Covid is not the first vaccine thats mandatory for certain roles.

@Claymorekick

But it is not a change to an employment contract- the change is legislation coming into force that makes it illegal for your employer to continue to employ you in that role. Employers are not changing anyone's contract, they are having to dismiss people so they do not breach the legislation.

I can see some decent pay-outs for unfair dismissal if this does go a head-I think it unlikely it will.

The most likely scenario is that affected staff will be furloughed on full pay. From what I can see most of the unions appear to be against forcing people to have it and will fight for the rights of their members.