To think you can't be 'Pro choice' if you agree in mandate vaccinations?

[secular39]

There. I said it.

@TheChip

But you can still catch it and spread it when vaccinated, so you could still be putting others at risk.

You can indeed. But your risk of catching it to spread it is much lower than if you are unvaccinated.

@Shadedog

We are not hounded by Occupational Health to receive vaccinations. If we don't want then, they don't bother

Bollocks. They don’t have to “hound” you because your vaccination status and health screening should be done before appointment. If your OH and HR are shite then it doesn’t mean it’s shite in every other trust. You only need one course of Hep B vaccine so of course OH/management don’t need to send weekly emails as most healthcare workers will have had it before appointment to their first ever post and eventually almost everyone will have had it as it’s now in the 6in1 baby vaccine. Frankly we are “hounded” about flu vaccines every year because our bastard management want to protect us from flu. Twats. Honestly. Caring for the most clinically vulnerable people in society is not some sort of human right. Absolutely sick of people thinking they are so special that their choices should be consequence free. Don’t have the vaccine if you don’t want but don’t expect to waltz onto an oncology ward either.

The HepB has lots of data behind it, known long term affects and has been around for a long time. I just need either 2/3 jabs and I'm protected.

There is no long term data in regards to the Covid vaccines. I am essentially putting myself at risk as I have a strong family history of blood clots and currently going through tests to confirm whether I have a blood clotting disorder. I will have to get two/three vaccines and quarterly boosters (forever at this point as the vaccines seem to wane). What's the point? I don't want to further my risk of getting a blood clot by getting additional boosters, more vaccines.

@Namenic

Specific jobs may require certain physical things. You can have height restrictions, age restrictions. You already have to have certain vaccinations in nhs.

If you contract hep b, c or hiv there are certain things that you may need additional testing for or you may not be able to do (depending on viral load). You can’t just say - I need to have bodily autonomy AND be able to do whatever I want. If you have transmissible TB or ebola, there will be restrictions until you are treated and non transmissible. If you have uncontrolled seizures or develop certain eye problems, you Can’t be hgv driver.

Exactly what restrictions are in place will depend on a risk benefit calculation and be specific to the condition/risk.

NHS vaccines are more about us being protected from patients not the other way round.

@gettingmylifetogether

But you are saying it's more important to protect other people by having a vaccine than it is to end an unborn childs life. Because no matter how you want to dress it up, you're ending a life having an abortion.

@StanleyGreen I don't consider it ending a life at that stage, but you're getting off-topic.

Simply put, I support every woman's right to decide to continue with a pregnancy or not.

I do not support every person's right to refuse to get vaccinated and continue to participate fully in society. I also make a distinction between people who refuse to get vaccinated, and people who have been medically advised not to get the vaccination. For people in the latter category, they're part of the reason why I have been vaccinated and why I mask up, wash my hands and use hand sanitiser. I think everyone who can get vaccinated should, because there will always be some people who can't.

People who can and refuse are just selfish. It's like the people who were never exempt from wearing face masks and said they were. Ruined it for the people who were actually exempt and needed more protection and understanding.

I don't see why it's so controversial to give half a damn about the society around you.

Please see past threads that I have a strong family history of blood clots.

I will not sacrifice myself for the greater good of society. I will put my health at first, always, for the sake of my family and for my loved ones. If that's selfish, then I don't care, because if anything happens to me, it would be myself and my family who experiences the fall out not "society".

This is the first thread under this username that you've mentioned a history of blood clots.

@secular39

Again showing your ignorance

It doesn't matter there isn't 'long term' data for the covid vaccine

The entire premise of vaccines mean any issues will present quite quickly

Betting you're one of the less educated staff members trawling a hospital ward.

I don't think you can link vaccine mandarin with pro choice views in relation to female bodily autonomy.

I don't agree with forced vaccination or dining people for not having it as it happening in other EU countries but that's not the same as there being consequences for your decisions. So if you can't go abroad or work with vulnerable people as a result of your free choice not to get a vaccine then that's a natural consequence of your decisions.

Vulnerable people don't have a choice about who treats them- what about their autonomy not to have higher risks of getting covid?

I am completely pro choice in relation to pregnancy choices and I think it's very different to the vaccine argument. Forcing a woman to carry a baby with all the associated risks is unacceptable. Taking a vaccine isn't the same.

And the NHS and lots of other jobs have mandating vaccine requirements. This is not a new thing.

@PAFMO

This is the first thread under this username that you've mentioned a history of blood clots.

Do you not have a life? Who has the time to go through my past threads. FYI, why would I voluntary share my personal health needs on a public forum? I have now anyway but I am not obliged to do this. Go read a book!

[quote JigglyPiggly]@secular39

Again showing your ignorance

It doesn't matter there isn't 'long term' data for the covid vaccine

The entire premise of vaccines mean any issues will present quite quickly

Betting you're one of the less educated staff members trawling a hospital ward.[/quote]
It matters to me due to my risks and it's not a risk I am willing to take.

Your own circumstances with regard to potential blood clots @secular39 are irrelevant to the thread you started. Surely you have a good case for exemption, so your 'choice' is effectively taken away for that reason. Your choice to have the vaccine is removed. If you want to argue about bodily autonomy, then surely you should accept that your situation is exceptional and making reference to it is not useful in a discussion like this.

@secular39

"Please see past threads that I have a strong family history of blood clots"

You are the one saying you have a history of blood clots, and telling others to refer to your past threads to see that.

@JigglyPiggly

The OP says her doctor says she won't qualify for an exemption to the vaccine mandate.

Sorry- meant to tag @DontTellThemYourNamePike, not @JigglyPiggly

[quote PAFMO]@secular39

"Please see past threads that I have a strong family history of blood clots"

You are the one saying you have a history of blood clots, and telling others to refer to your past threads to see that.[/quote]
I meant previous posts on this thread.

OP: Please see past threads that I have a strong family history of blood clots.

Another poster checks past threads, as instructed!

OP: Do you not have a life? Who has the time to go through my past threads. FYI, why would I voluntary share my personal health needs on a public forum?

@DontTellThemYourNamePike

Your own circumstances with regard to potential blood clots *@secular39 are irrelevant to the thread you started. Surely you have a good case for exemption, so your 'choice' is effectively taken away for that reason. Your choice to have* the vaccine is removed. If you want to argue about bodily autonomy, then surely you should accept that your situation is exceptional and making reference to it is not useful in a discussion like this.

Exactly. It is not relevant. Which was why I didn't state it in my opening post.

@DontTellThemYourNamePike

Your own circumstances with regard to potential blood clots *@secular39 are irrelevant to the thread you started. Surely you have a good case for exemption, so your 'choice' is effectively taken away for that reason. Your choice to have* the vaccine is removed. If you want to argue about bodily autonomy, then surely you should accept that your situation is exceptional and making reference to it is not useful in a discussion like this.

I don't qualify for an exemption, according to my GP. Even despite going through tests to determine whether I have the same blood clotting disorder.

@secular39

You can still have the vaccine and pass on Covid....

You can still have the vaccine and have Covid....

For the love of God, can you please reassure me that you're not a doctor or a nurse.

Way I see it is that no one is being forced to have the vaccine, only that if they don't have the vaccine they will be unable to work in certain fields.

If I wanted to work in the defence industry I would need to have a SC check, I'm within my rights to refuse that, but then my employer has equal rights to refuse to employ me, or to terminate my employment if I refuse to have it renewed.

If I want to legally drive I have to take a driving test. I don't have to take a driving test, but then I can't drive on a road.

If I want to work in childcare I need to be screened, I could refuse to be screened but then I couldn't work in childcare.

If you don't want to take the vaccine that's your choice, but your employer is perfectly entitled to decide your views no longer match their requirements and terminate your employment.

@LadyFlumpalot

Way I see it is that no one is being forced to have the vaccine, only that if they don't have the vaccine they will be unable to work in certain fields.

If I wanted to work in the defence industry I would need to have a SC check, I'm within my rights to refuse that, but then my employer has equal rights to refuse to employ me, or to terminate my employment if I refuse to have it renewed.

If I want to legally drive I have to take a driving test. I don't have to take a driving test, but then I can't drive on a road.

If I want to work in childcare I need to be screened, I could refuse to be screened but then I couldn't work in childcare.

If you don't want to take the vaccine that's your choice, but your employer is perfectly entitled to decide your views no longer match their requirements and terminate your employment.

Well said.

You can't be pro choice when it comes to specific circumstances and not be pro choice in certain situations. It does not work like that.

Tell that to the pro-life campaigners in the US who scream scripture at women trying to use family planning clinics, but who are also against gun control and support the death penalty. That also does not work like that.

@secular39

You can still have the vaccine and pass on Covid....

You can still have the vaccine and have Covid....

Yes. And in other news, both Serena Williams and I can play tennis

You can still have the vaccine and pass on Covid.... You can still have the vaccine and have Covid....

So? You can still get TB if you get a TB vaccine but there are much lower risks. Why do all these hcps suddenly not understand the concept of reduced risk? Why all this in for a penny in for a pound nonsense? Florence Nightingale would have a heart attack.

Another misogynist troll cruising Mumsnet and trying to push women's buttons {yawn}.

Yeah, being forced to have a vaccine totally equates with being forced to bear an unwanted child for 9 months, undergo the extreme risks of birth and raise another human being for the next 18 years...

Goodness me you must feel very strongly indeed about mandatory seatbelts.