Does shone rhyme with dawn or zone?

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DD has been told she's saying it wrong - may be both as used in different places?

@over2021 I wondered when someone would suggest scone sounds like cone!

I speak fairly standard Scottish, so for me it's always rhymed with gone/on. I live in the North of England and I hear it pronounced both ways, but rhyming scone with cone in a northern accent sounds like someone trying to be posh! The poshest person in the UK is the queen, and she says scone to rhyme with on. Or shone…

@TurkeyRoastvBubbleandSqueek

Sorry but "a 'sh" makes more sense than "an 'sh"

I certainly don't pronounce 'sh' with an 'e' sound first. That's a feature of Spanish, not English.

Saying "an 'sh" is awkward and requires a guttural stop and start between the 'n' and the 's'. That guttural stop could even be the 'e' sound you're imagining.

Saying "a 'sh" is easier and more natural. It requires no 'e' insert.

@Thethingswedoforlove

Neither/ it rhymes with gone

Exactly

This thread is so hard to read, yet I can’t stop!

Scone sounds like bone to me. Dawn has no R sound in it, it sounds like yawn, but it is the ‘inverted v’ in bun that has me really baffled!

It rhymes with 'gone'

Dawn, scone and shone would all be pronounced the same to me, I'd say dawn as "don" (definitely no R sounds in any of the 3 here!).

There's a lot of confusion about the difference between letters and sounds here.

In many British English accents, "shone" "one" and "wan" would have the same vowel /ɒ/
In many other British accents, they don't. "One" has the same vowel sound as "but", "some", "up" etc. /ʌ/

The interesting thing is that many people seem to find it difficult to understand that regional (and national) variations exist! American English vowels are generally articulated slightly differently which lengthens them compared to their British English counterparts. (think of how most British English speakers say "gone" and then how US speakers would say it. Phonetically identical- both pronunciations contain the same short vowel, phonologically, there's a difference.

I wish mumsnet had voice clips
Google - dictionary.com does

Dawn and zone rhyme. Shone rhymes with neither though.

@3luckystars

This thread is so hard to read, yet I can’t stop!

Scone sounds like bone to me. Dawn has no R sound in it, it sounds like yawn, but it is the ‘inverted v’ in bun that has me really baffled!

Sorry that was just me describing the way the pronunciation is written in dictionaries. An inverted v symbol is a u sound as in bun or pun.

Shone does not rhyme with One.

@ThinWomansBrain

I wish mumsnet had voice clips Google - dictionary.com does

Does it have a rage of regional accents?

@Cappuccino17

Dawn and zone rhyme. Shone rhymes with neither though.

What?

@Lightstoobright

What? As in 'the sun shone'? In my part of the country it rhymes with one/gone

One and gone rhyme?

I love regional variety btw, it just blows my mind reading about it like this!

One, gone, shone.
Won, bun, sun (which I appreciate is incorrect, but there’s only one person I know who says ‘won’ to rhyme with ‘gone’ and it sounds wrong!)

I think ‘scone’ rhymes with ‘bone’, but I hear people say it to rhyme with ‘con’ a lot too.

@3luckystars

This thread is so hard to read, yet I can’t stop!

Scone sounds like bone to me. Dawn has no R sound in it, it sounds like yawn, but it is the ‘inverted v’ in bun that has me really baffled!

The inverted "v" is the phonetic symbol for the standard southern English vowel in words like "but", "cup" etc.

"Dawn" doesn't have an /r/ sound in any regional pronunciation, pps are referring to the difference between "Shaun" and "shorn" which in some accents rhyme (so the pun Shaun/shorn works) in others they are different, so it doesn't.

"Does it have a rage of regional accents?"

I like 'Rage' as a collective noun for regional accents.

@KatherineJaneway

Shone does not rhyme with One.

Maybe not for you. It does for me though and countless others 🤷🏼‍♀️

@Coldfingerstoes

One, gone, shone. Won, bun, sun (which I appreciate is incorrect, but there’s only one person I know who says ‘won’ to rhyme with ‘gone’ and it sounds wrong!)

I think ‘scone’ rhymes with ‘bone’, but I hear people say it to rhyme with ‘con’ a lot too.

"won", "bun" and "sun" have the same vowel sound in most southern English accents (among others) That pronunciation is considered the standard pronunciation, so it's absolutely not incorrect! (It's not my accent as a northern girl though!)

Just to be clear, 'dawn' and 'zone' do not rhyme, under any circumstances.

One and gone absolutely rhyme. Only speaking RP would one sound like wun

@GaryLurcher19

"Does it have a rage of regional accents?"

I like 'Rage' as a collective noun for regional accents.

@Phrowzunn

😂 I can’t cope with people thinking ‘horn’ and ‘corn’ rhyme with ‘dawn’..?! Also, in what universe does ‘one’ rhyme with ‘gone’?!

Dawn definitely does rhyme with corn and horn

One rhymes with gone for me. I’ve never heard one pronounced as won.