Does shone rhyme with dawn or zone?

[youdialwetile]

DD has been told she's saying it wrong - may be both as used in different places?

Shon with a short o sound. Like the o in pond

Shone = Sh-on
Dawn = Door-n
Zone - Z-oh-n

So, neither!
Live in the Home Counties if it helps with accent.

@thisgardenlife

*In British English, shone, as in the sun shone, is pronounced shon, ie 'on', but with sh in front. It doesn't rhyme with any of the examples, and those who think it sounds the same as 'one' are just plain wrong.

'One' sounds the same as 'won' (he won a prize), nothing like shone. If it did it would be like 'wan', as in pale and wan.*

I was with you right up to the 'wan' part. In what regional accent or period in history does 'shone' rhyme with 'wan'?

[quote 5YearsLeft]@borntobequiet Look at the second example under shone and zone that you’ve cut and pasted. They’re identical (except the S and Z) because they rhyme in American English and Oxford Learners Dictionary tries to cover British and American English. It is correct that they do not rhyme in British English. OP has stated she is in America.[/quote]
I copied and pasted, not cut and pasted.

The links are to audio of both British and American pronounciations.

@mathanxiety

Shone rhymes with gone and scone

Controversial.

Gone is to Con
Scone is to Cone

In my world

Shone rhymes with dawn/gone for me

Def not zone!

Shone generally rhymes with gone, on, con in the UK and bone, throne, loan in the US. I'm not sure about other regional pronunciations.

I was horrified in the musical episode of Buffy by the rhyme in the lines

"Your power shone
Brighter than ever I've known"

So I noticed the first time an American friend used the word and it made sense, and I still notice whenever it comes up.

@ThePrionOne

What a brilliant thread! I can imagine a US drawl where shone rhymes with dawn, but zone is just bizarre! I also have a Scottish accent, so for me it rhymes with gone too. It would be interesting (to me) if people could comment and add what their accent is!

I'm south east and speak close to rp, but without a "posh" accent.

@thisgardenlife

This is getting ridiculous.

In British English, shone, as in the sun shone, is pronounced shon, ie 'on', but with sh in front. It doesn't rhyme with any of the examples, and those who think it sounds the same as 'one' are just plain wrong.

'One' sounds the same as 'won' (he won a prize), nothing like shone. If it did it would be like 'wan', as in pale and wan.

Shown, on the other hand, as in 'I was shown two examples', sounds like 'own' (oan) just with sh in front - shown.

One and gone do not rhyme. Won sounds like wun. Gone sounds like 'on' but with a hard g in front, hence 'gone'.

That should clear this madness up.

Hi @thisgardenlife you are correct about "shone" rhyming with "on", but with an "sh" in front of it (by the way it is "an" sh and not "a" sh because when pronouncing the letter "s" it sounds like ess, which of course starts with a vowel - however when put together as in "shop" or "shoe" it reverts to being "a" shop, or "a" shoe - by the way, I am explaining why I put "an" s, not the accepted "a" used with s + anyword eg a squirrel, a straight line, a staple, I am not saying that you used an "a" or an "an" in the wrong way!).

But you are wrong when you say it doesn't rhyme with one. The rhyming bit is the "on" sound after the "w" sound of won. But the word "won" does not rhyme with one, gone, on, or shone.
The word won, as in "I won the bet", rhymes with "gun" "sun" "done" etc.

If following normal British English rules, one might think that the "e" at the end of "shone" should make it sound like "sh own", thr one"
"dr one" because the general rule is that a second bowel in a word makes the first vowel sound like it would when using the kings Queens English alphabet eg a(e), b(ee), c(ee)...
(e)ff g(ee) (ae/itch)h eye)I ( j(ay) k(ay) (e)l (e)m ... o(oh!) p(ee) please Bob, q(cue) ahr(r) (e)s(s) t(ee) or (ea) u(yooh) v(ee) double-yooh(w) (e)x or (ec)s why(y) z(ed), but actually when pronouncing "shone" we ignore the "e" completely - like the erroneous "the exception to the rule". So to reiterate, it is "sh on" just like
(w)on, on, gon(e).

So I'm sorry thisgardenlife but presuming that you and others won't believe me, I don't think that "that should clear this madness up" will do any such thing ☺

@Thethingswedoforlove

Neither/ it rhymes with gone

This

@borntobequiet Apologies for misspeaking. Look at what you’ve copied and pasted. You don’t even need to play an audio file:
ʃəʊn
zəʊn
So the answer is not “neither.” Do you see it now?

Given that many people (esp Americans, I have noticed) now say 'shined', I'd take any pronunciation of 'shone'.

now you have got me listening to Mr Bono, are you happy now?!!

SHUN rhymes with BUN here in Ireland.

When I’m reading the children’s books that rhyme, sometimes the words sound nothing like a rhyme so I know they have been written by people with different accents.

The two options you have in the first post sound absolutely NOTHING like shun.

All the best. Please ask your son not to write a rhyming children’s book when he gets bigger

Interesting that so many people say one as ‘wun.’ I’ve never heard anyone say it this way, it’s always rhymed with con here.

@Thethingswedoforlove

Neither/ it rhymes with gone

This!

One, gone, con
Bone, Moan, Phone
Won, Bun, Fun

at least that's how you say it here, and we spake proper in the Black Country!!

Sorry that should say SHONE sounds like GONE here.

I was joking about your son, the more people writing, the better! It makes the world more interesting

Oh and scone, cone not scone, gone

I've never heard one rhyme with bun either (Manchester). No wun says it like that here.

@SleepingStandingUp

Neither.

Dawn, Horn, Lawn
Zone, Phone, Moan
Shone, Gone, One,

This round here too.

Neither haha

Gone

I'm loving this thread. Although, very embarrassingly, it's only when I read the comment about Shaun the Sheep not working as a joke in some accents that I realised it's a pun (and I don't use a rhotic pronunciation so no excuse).