Does shone rhyme with dawn or zone?

[youdialwetile]

DD has been told she's saying it wrong - may be both as used in different places?

This thread is twisting my melons!! 🤦‍♀️

‘One’ is rhymed with ‘gone’ in the East Midlands! But it does clear up why some of my Children’s books rhyme ‘one’ with ‘won’, I thought it was just an assonance!

One and gone do not rhyme. Won sounds like wun.

The only person I have ever heard pronounce one like wun was extremely posh. One sounds like gone and con to the vast majority of Brits. And if you watch any children's educational programme about numbers, you'll hear it pronounced that way.

My last post was for @thisgardenlife

One is like on/con for me! How do they say “BBC1” or “The One Show”, they don’t say “wun” do they?!?

@ThePants999

"one" rhymes with "gun", not "gone".

No it doesn't, because then it would be WUN.

I think everybody pronounces words differently on here OP.

I say shone as in gone, not shone as in shown. If she said the sun ''shown'' I would think she'd gone mad tbh.

@Freecuthbert

Shone rhymes with gone, con, don. Dawn rhymes with fawn, corn, worn. Zone rhymes with cone, bone, phone.

I am not sure if it is different in other accents, but the way I read and pronounce them none of them rhyme together.

I'm with you on this, but there are significant variations across the UK.

A Scottish friend pronounces "gone" so it rhymes with "corn", and I'm sure would do the same with "shone". But in my RP, home counties accent "corn" is completely different.

@thisgardenlife

This is getting ridiculous.

In British English, shone, as in the sun shone, is pronounced shon, ie 'on', but with sh in front. It doesn't rhyme with any of the examples, and those who think it sounds the same as 'one' are just plain wrong.

'One' sounds the same as 'won' (he won a prize), nothing like shone. If it did it would be like 'wan', as in pale and wan.

Shown, on the other hand, as in 'I was shown two examples', sounds like 'own' (oan) just with sh in front - shown.

One and gone do not rhyme. Won sounds like wun. Gone sounds like 'on' but with a hard g in front, hence 'gone'.

That should clear this madness up.

It doesn’t “clear this madness up” because you’re wrong!

One and gone absolutely rhyme with each other and with shone. And also with won.

HTH

I have a non rhotic accent but I didn't get "shaun the sheep" until now :o

Rhymes with don

This explains it! 🤯

www.thoughtco.com/rhoticity-speech-4065992

In American English aw makes an ah sound, but so does the short o, which I can never get my head around both at once. Aw/or are the same sound to me, identical.

My 3yo says "Pah pet-rowwl" for Paw Patrol because he is copying the American accent. He hasn't quite twigged it's the word paw and doesn't know the word patrol.

But TBH the one that completely blows my mind is when they are singing the compost song on Cocomelon and keep pronouncing it like com-POST (and to boot "post" is pronounced as in "postbox" ). It's incredibly jarring!

@thisgardenlife

You need to focus on the vowel sounds, not the rest of the word. The "o" in "shone", the "o" in "one"

In some British English accents they are identical. In others, they aren't.

Some British English speakers have the same pronunciation of the vowel in these words: sun, one, cut, up. Others don't. (I don't- for me in that list "one" would be different to the other 3, which in turn would be different from a standard southern accent, because I'm from the north)

London primary school - we count wun, two, three
Not particularly posh.

So do you say…
BBC w-un (to rhyme with bun)
BBC w-on (to rhyme with on)
BBC w-one (to rhyme with cone)

I've always thought one to rhyme with con was the Northern pronunciation, Northerners are the only ones I've met down here in the South East who say it that way.
I'm amused by whoever said it's only said one bun in 'casual' accents and that it's 'bad' usage , when that's how the Queen says it. Whatever I might think of the royal family I don't think they have 'casual' accents.

I didn’t get Shaun the Sheep until now either!!

I still can’t get my head around one and gone rhyming.

One - w-un
Gone - g-on

Shone- sh-on

For me dawn is definitely an or sound and the kids in phonics are taught ‘au’ as naughty autumn or or or.

@Catlover77

"One and gone absolutely rhyme. Only speaking RP would one sound like wun"

'One' sounds like 'bun' and 'fun' in broad Yorkshire. Just for reference.

These pronunciation threads always fascinate me. Not that things are pronunced differently but that people don't seem to have ever heard a different pronunciation. Do they not watch TV, listen to the radio, audio books or other people?

(We'll have to ignore the insistence that their was is right.)

I mean I can get that you might one immediately think "what!! One doesn't rhyme with shone!" Because you are accustomed to saying it to rhyme with wun and trying it out to rhyme with shone make you recall other people do say it differently to you!!

Well unless of cause you don't say shone the same!!

@Bunnycat101

I still can’t get my head around one and gone rhyming.

One - w-un
Gone - g-on

Shone- sh-on

For me dawn is definitely an or sound and the kids in phonics are taught ‘au’ as naughty autumn or or or.

Stop thinking about the words rhyming. Think about the vowels in those words having the same pronunciation. Then you'll see. (I make my students look at their mouths in a mirror to see that their mouth is in exactly the same position (or not) when they say words.)

I say one like won. Not wun. How funny :o

Well there are obviously regional differences but I think a dictionary is a reasonable place to settle the argument, wouldn't you agree?

One and won are pronounced wun to rhyme with bun.

Look it up.

What kind of absolute creature says "BBC w-one (to rhyme with cone)"?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=rvDJwWtSvsM

Wun

@saraclara

One and gone do not rhyme. Won sounds like wun.

The only person I have ever heard pronounce one like wun was extremely posh. One sounds like gone and con to the vast majority of Brits. And if you watch any children's educational programme about numbers, you'll hear it pronounced that way.

I’ve never heard anyone say one to rhyme with gone/don. In fact I just played the beginning of the One Show and Rylan clearly says ‘welcome to the wun Show on BBC wun’ So, ‘one’ rhyming with sun and fun.

NI accent here, definitely not posh!

One and won are pronounced the same here. (sun, fun, done, none)

Words with an R in (horn, corn) don't sound the same as those without (dawn, fawn, gone)