Ireland . Tonight . A woman beaten to death in broad daylight

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I know this is predominantly
A UK site but I am so full of rage .
Beautiful young girl. 23 year old teacher went for a run at 4pm beaten to death.yesterday afternoon .
What can we do to stop this relaxed attitude to violence against women. We are all hurting here.
AIBU to think that violence against some. Women ever ever be fucking taken seriously .
110 convictions and out on bail murder Ed Ashling on a run way called after another woman who was brutally murdered there.
I'm full
Of sadness and fucking rage . I'm
Done with this shit for our girls.

The comments
Under breakingnews.ieandjournal.iemake me want to scream.

There are so many unselfconsciously horrific men around.

@PleasantBirthday

*The comments Under breakingnews.ieandjournal.iemake me want to scream.*

There are so many unselfconsciously horrific men around.

Same on the Irish Times..... the "misandry" word in every second comment. As if there is any comparison in the relative levels of threat to men from women, vs the threat to women - and men- , from MEN.

I am not saying that all men are responsible for the murder of women, but they ARE responsible for being part of the solution to male-on-female violence.

@honeyrider I'm with you on the limitless free legal aid. It's a joke. We, the hard working taxpayers are funding criminals who put two fingers up to the system.
The whole justice system is a joke in Ireland.
They moan in the UK about lenient sentences but they ain't seen nothing like Irish lenient sentences.
What is wrong with our judges ?
I know legal appointments in the past were political but not sure now.
It appears the criminals have more human rights than the victims and their families.

The repeated endless free legal aid gets me too. I am just thinking about how when I fled an abusive relationship with two toddlers and one bag, my x tried to have me ordered back to the uk. I couldn't get free legal aid because I had ''removed the children from their habitual domicile''. Yes I had done that. He attacked me for one last time as I escaped. Then he calmed down. He always used to feel better after he'd been abusive. For a while. Then he used the law to abuse me. He tried to have me ordered back to the UK. He failed luckily and I didn't realise how lucky I was until much later. So I cannot help feeling aghast that these repeat offenders get free legal aid ad infinitum. A woman trying to keep her children in safety doesn't get free legal aid. The whole system is stacked against women but men who are in charge believe that the opposite is true.

@PleasantBirthday @FionaMacCool it gets worse! There was a thread on here about a woman calling her DH out on making rape jokes and nearly all posters said she was overreacting/ being too sensitive / needed to lighten up / brought it on herself by making an unrelated joke before he made the rape joke!

So depressing. The thread ended up getting deleted.

For those crazies, here's Miriam Lord:
www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/miriam-lord-between-the-headline-atrocities-men-seem-to-quickly-forget-all-that-women-said-1.4776883

Many of the comments from the Irish Times editorial today beggar belief. I hope to God my son does not turn out like any of them.

www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/the-irish-times-view-on-violence-against-women-the-right-to-live-without-fear-1.4776648

Men are pathetic whingebags is the takeaway again. They can wibble about how it's not all of them but christ, it's some number. Frankly, they are self centered babies unless proven otherwise, as far as I'm concerned.

This is crazy

m.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/rtes-katie-hannon-sent-chilling-threat-not-to-solicit-negative-comments-about-men-during-discussion-of-ashling-murphy-murder-41243241.html

We just got an email before we came on air addressed to me that says: ‘I’m just letting you know that your show will be recorded and should you interview or solicit negative comments about men, you will have to personally answer for it,” she read from the message.

“It goes on to tell me there’s some online meeting and that ‘we have close to 200 listening in’ and it’s warning us not to solicit negative comments about men,”

God, they're pathetic.

@PleasantBirthday

I'm done with a minutes silence. Women need to be doing a minutes scream in all the places they congregate to remember.

This is a fucking amazing idea!

You know what though - so many women wouldn't take part though, for fear of causing 'disturbance'.

We're dying week in week out at the hands of men, but the conditioning to not be difficult or not be seen to be angry is STILL so strong.

Can anyone imagine the fucking uproar if it was that many men dying at the hands of women?

Wow, that is horrible. We arent even allowed to acknowledge that it's men who kill women.

I read one comment from a man with hurt feelings "do we know for sure it even was a man?".

Wow. His ability to live in delusion is enviable. When has a woman ever killed another woman in daylight and then run off. What are the stats on that. But this man b3lieves we dont know yet that it was a man. 😲🤔

Some complete loser emailed Katie Hannon to tell her that if her show solicited any bad statements about men, there were 200 like minded slow burners listening in who'd make her answerable.

Maybe not all men, but that 200 for sure.

Women’s Aid Ireland have today been tweeting the names of the 244 women murdered in Ireland since they began their work in 1996. It’s a sobering read.

twitter.com/womens_aid/status/1482317138522218499?s=21

I think it would be a good idea to post the names of the murderers too, if known.

That way, society would be able to envision perhaps 244 murderers and they wouldn't be just some hazy notion, some bogeyman you hope you won't have anything to do with.

It is a very good thing to commemorate the dead, especially when in doing so you reveal the scale of the problem.

But when you focus only on the victims you are only looking at the symptoms of the problem, not the cause. When you don't look at the cause you are never going to find the cure.

I also think it would be a good idea to publish details of the sentencing of the murderers of women, where applicable.

I think this would be something to behold.

Yes it would be impactful no question.

Thing is getting that sort of info isn't easy to get hold of.

Eg finding the data for counting dead women, national data doesn't include relationship current partner or previous, not sure her exact parameters.

National data only certain types of info.

Want different info/angle then it's things like trawling local papers, finding individual reports by police or court info. That sort of thing.

It's a laborious task.

Problem is that sort of data if want often have to assemble dataset yourself once got the top level info.

The problem is that some of the murders are still unsolved - Sophie Toscan du Plantier murdered in Cork in 1996. Whilst there has been a prime suspect since the time of the crime he has never been charged by the Irish justice system, even though a French court (she was a French citizen with a holiday home in Cork) found him guilty in absentia in 2019. He’s an Englishman with a history of alcoholism and violence against women who has lived in Cork for decades - Ian Bailey.

There have been documentaries on the case (there’s one on Netflix called “A Murder in West Cork”) and an excellent podcast series by Laura Richards. It’s in 11 parts and we’ll worth listening to. In my mind there is no doubt that Ian Bailey was Sophie’s killer, but the and DPP just don’t seem to care: www.crime-analyst.com/38-the-crime-analyst-ep-38/

Fiona Pender (also 1996) has never been found and no one charged. Tragically Ashling was murdered on “Fiona’s Way” a memorial path to Fiona Pender.

I haven’t looked at any of the other names, as they’re the only two I know off the top of my head, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there were plenty of other unsolved cases.

@mathanxiety

I think it would be a good idea to post the names of the murderers too, if known.

That way, society would be able to envision perhaps 244 murderers and they wouldn't be just some hazy notion, some bogeyman you hope you won't have anything to do with.

It is a very good thing to commemorate the dead, especially when in doing so you reveal the scale of the problem.

But when you focus only on the victims you are only looking at the symptoms of the problem, not the cause. When you don't look at the cause you are never going to find the cure.

There are huge problems around victims losing their identities and the fetishisation of killers. Publicity is exactly what some killers aspire to. Best not to even acknowledge them

@Anotherviewtoyou

This is crazy

m.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/rtes-katie-hannon-sent-chilling-threat-not-to-solicit-negative-comments-about-men-during-discussion-of-ashling-murphy-murder-41243241.html

We just got an email before we came on air addressed to me that says: ‘I’m just letting you know that your show will be recorded and should you interview or solicit negative comments about men, you will have to personally answer for it,” she read from the message.

“It goes on to tell me there’s some online meeting and that ‘we have close to 200 listening in’ and it’s warning us not to solicit negative comments about men,”

There's an excellent podcast called 'boys like me' which explores the increasing culture of misogyny that women face. It's pretty eye-opening

That link about the threat!

Fucks sake.

Men who get sad when anyone points out that men as a group commit majority of violent offences, and nearly all sex crimes...

Decide to address this by threatening female journalist with v scary threat wording, and saying 200 men behind threat...

To be nice about men when discussing woman being violently murdered in shocking circs.

Well done lads! Totally shows that discussing male violence is unfair on men who aren't violent... Erm ..

Or is the point that male violence is a thing, were men who are violent, and we will carry out retribution on any woman who mentions it. Because we're not going to change, get used to it, put up and shut up.

?

I hope it gets investigated properly and they find the man who sent it.
It just shows you how some men just don't get it.

I keep checking my phone for updates on the current suspect in hospital...
There has to be justice for this.

mobile.twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1482817514241417218

A man joined an online vigil and then got his dick out.
Grim.

I just hope the media and social media will be very careful re the suspect. We don't want his/ her lawyer crying foul that their client won't get a fair trial.
In Ireland you are innocent til proven guilty.

The Irish law is a joke. Sentences are too lenient. We need to learn from this.