Ireland . Tonight . A woman beaten to death in broad daylight

[goodyear2021]

I know this is predominantly
A UK site but I am so full of rage .
Beautiful young girl. 23 year old teacher went for a run at 4pm beaten to death.yesterday afternoon .
What can we do to stop this relaxed attitude to violence against women. We are all hurting here.
AIBU to think that violence against some. Women ever ever be fucking taken seriously .
110 convictions and out on bail murder Ed Ashling on a run way called after another woman who was brutally murdered there.
I'm full
Of sadness and fucking rage . I'm
Done with this shit for our girls.

@LadyEloise1

I just hope the media and social media will be very careful re the suspect. We don't want his/ her lawyer crying foul that their client won't get a fair trial. In Ireland you are innocent til proven guilty.

The murderer or the man in post before yours who joined online vigil and masturbated at everyone?

Sentences are for after an offence has taken place.
I don't think for a second a murder considers his potential punishment before he acts.

I'd like to see more resources put into prevention and education.

@CheeseMmmm
The person whom the guards want to interview about Ashling Murphy but is currently in hospital.

@goodyear2021

Relaxed attitude ?? Casual misogyny. Bail for serious assault . Slap on the wrist for dv. Sorry luv , can't find your notes when you rang in about your partner arranging You there last week ...... Hours of a wait to attend a dv call in. Do me a favour ...

It's not just women though is it?

The justice system is soft as shit in Britain/Ireland.

We really do have a serious problem with violence against women here in Ireland. I don't know if it is better or worse elsewhere, but that is not the point.

I lived in Galway during this case of the murder of the Swiss student
www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/people/arid-40054793.html

There were several vigils, a big concert with some celebs, but sadly I don't think things are better.

My heart goes out to the family. Prison is too good for that man that did this

Ah gotcha Eloise.

Big concern surely is that there's people all over Ireland and in other countries as well. In real life and all over the media.

Really pushing the idea that this crime was definitely really bad.

That could well affect any legal process. It's up for the judge to decide how bad it was. Not the public.

I hope they catch the woman, or possibly man, who did it soon though. However bad the crime turns out to have been.

[quote LadyEloise1]@CheeseMmmm
The person whom the guards want to interview about Ashling Murphy but is currently in hospital. [/quote]
I'm surprised they can't interview him. It's been nearly a week. How serious are his injuries? It's bizarre.

@Wexicans I have been around so long that I have become cynical - politicians coming out and promising that things will change and they don't.
I remember the outcry when Manuela Riedo was murdered in 2007.
The vigils etc.

Remember too the outcry when Justine Valdez was abducted and murdered in Wicklow in May 2018.

How many remember Urantsetseg Tserendorj, a mother of 2 children who was stabbed to death on the Dublin Quays as she walked home from work in January 2021?

All utterly heartbreaking and nothing has changed.

This thread made me shed tears. I'm so done with it all. Where are the men telling these subhuman bastards that they don't deserve the title men? Where are the good men saying enough is enough, we need to have a conversation about why our biological sex kind are responsible for 95% of all violent attacks on both men and women alike.

The situation here is a joke

• 34 people have been killed by criminals out on bail in the last five years
• 128 people have been raped or sexually assaulted by criminals out on bail in the same time period

extra.ie/2018/11/13/news/irish-news/bailed-criminals-who-took-lives

And of course, that is only the crimes that have been solved.

Just read that a man exposed himself in a zoom vigil. Give me strength

@kanaloa

Yes the boys who joked about raping me have been suitably punished today. Statements taken, fixed term exclusion, meeting with parents and will receive 'Words of advice' from the school police officer when they return. They have been told to keep away from me, my timetable has been amended so I don't have to be in the room with them and all my duties moved to public areas so I'm not isolated. All in all the school couldn't do much more.

The thing is I doubt they even knew what they were talking about or the implications of what they said but if they said it in the workplace it would be instant dismissal or a thump from someone's boyfriend.

Well in one way I’m so glad you had the courage to report it. In another way I’m saddened that it would even need to be reported/would happen at all.

I imagine their parents were utterly disgusted. If it was my son we certainly would be and I’d be letting him know that as well. Hopefully it’s given them a good shock and their parents have imprinted on them the criminal nature of threatening rape. You do wonder how it gets to the point that students have so little respect for an adult teacher that they feel they can even dare to say something of that sort. Or any person really!

@HPandTheNeverEndingBedtime
I'm glad you reported them.
Hopefully they will understand the seriousness of their macho threats banter.
So much of it is bravado and they don't have the guts to stand up for what's right.

We just need stringent sentencing for crimes like flashing, threatening, assault, to take dangerous men off the streets before they have the opportunity to escalate to rape and murder.

Men who cannot live peacefully with women can live in an all male society instead.

We need room in prison for those who need to be there.

The onus should be on the criminal to demonstrate they are fit to be released - it shouldn’t be based on having served half their pathetically inadequate sentence.

We need to be funding mental health services for children and adults do that our prisons aren’t filling up with people who have manageable conditions that have been neglected.

You do wonder how it gets to the point that students have so little respect for an adult teacher that they feel they can even dare to say something of that sort. Or any person really!

It comes from their homes.

I seriously doubt their parents will be horrified.

Where are the good men saying enough is enough, we need to have a conversation about why our biological sex kind are responsible for 95% of all violent attacks on both men and women alike.

This ^^

You would think men who are fathers would have some realisation of responsibility to make a better world, but there is this deafening silence.

There are huge problems around victims losing their identities and the fetishisation of killers.
Publicity is exactly what some killers aspire to.
Best not to even acknowledge them

I think the current focus on the victims has the opposite effect - the fetishisation of female victimhood. Maybe even the normalisation of female victimhood.
Talking about DV hasn't done anything to stop it.
Talking about murdered women won't do anything to stop men murdering women.

We need to talk about the men who torture and torment women and children in their own homes. We need to talk about flashers, and misogynistic banter and who is doing it, rapists. We need to talk about men who murder women.

It needs to be made clear and understood that 244 men decided to murder women in the last few decades. Society needs to know where those men are now.

There is a veil of anonymity, silence, and invisibility hiding the killers. This means there is no accountability whatsoever when it comes to sentencing.

There is no understanding or willingness to investigate what it takes to create a killer of women and how the nurturing of such heinous misogyny can be prevented in Irish homes and Irish schools.

@mathanxiety

There are huge problems around victims losing their identities and the fetishisation of killers. Publicity is exactly what some killers aspire to. Best not to even acknowledge them

I think the current focus on the victims has the opposite effect - the fetishisation of female victimhood. Maybe even the normalisation of female victimhood.
Talking about DV hasn't done anything to stop it.
Talking about murdered women won't do anything to stop men murdering women.

We need to talk about the men who torture and torment women and children in their own homes. We need to talk about flashers, and misogynistic banter and who is doing it, rapists. We need to talk about men who murder women.

It needs to be made clear and understood that 244 men decided to murder women in the last few decades. Society needs to know where those men are now.

There is a veil of anonymity, silence, and invisibility hiding the killers. This means there is no accountability whatsoever when it comes to sentencing.

There is no understanding or willingness to investigate what it takes to create a killer of women and how the nurturing of such heinous misogyny can be prevented in Irish homes and Irish schools.

Unfortunately, yes we do. Long and loud sisters

@mathanxiety
"You would think men who are fathers would have some realisation of responsibility to make a better world..."

That is why I have been utterly gobsmacked by the sentences some judges have handed down in cases of murder and rape.
I'm often shocked too by the lenient sentences handed out by female judges in Ireland.
Lenient sentences, revolving door jail time, self serving politicians.......

@HereticFanjo

This thread made me shed tears. I'm so done with it all. Where are the men telling these subhuman bastards that they don't deserve the title men? Where are the good men saying enough is enough, we need to have a conversation about why our biological sex kind are responsible for 95% of all violent attacks on both men and women alike.

I think the idea that there's something remarkably worthy about being called a man is part of the problem, if I'm honest. There isn't. Man is not synonymous with good, or strong, or brave or moral.

I think a lo5 of men just refuse to acknowledge what a violation a sexual assault is. They see all sex any sex as a bonus but also something forgettable. There is a refusal to see it as a life altering violation first and foremost and there is a palpable sympathy with the man that the woman wouldnt just let him do it, would forget about it, and if the woman wants justice, that is not seen as a desire for some healing justice, but is seen as a vendetta

They refuse to acknowledge the extent of the violation i mean, so on one level they see following through legally as a vendetta that the rapist is the victim of.

The problem is men are more likely to listen to other men than to women. That is the problem in a nutshell. Recently I feel like like relationships between women and men are at an all time low, at least in my lifetime. I feel jaded and sad.

yes, I will never have another relationship. I'm not gay but as a woman who's been through a normal amount of sexism and misogyny I just can't ignore any now. I'm hypervigilant to any sexism, hypervigilant to any double standard at all and that is just so incompatible with having a real relationship ime. Sooner or later the man will say something that reveals he doesn't get it and of course he doesn't. It shouldn't shock me when there are so many women siding with the menz.

I agree @PleasantBirthday Men think they're superior to women and yet they're the ones exposing themselves and masterbating on a zoom vigil for a victim of male violence. If a woman did that, she'd be hung drawn and quartered for it in the media. Women are stronger than men, they have to be because they have to put up with men and navigate sexism and misogyny without being written off as bitter. Heaven forbid.