Young woman murdered running, what sort of world is this?!?

[irishfarmer]

A young woman was murdered yesterday in Tullamore, Ireland while out for a run at 4pm. It is not a dangerous area, she was on a popular route along the canal, in day light! These things just do not happen here. I am in total shock. It was a random, unprovoked attack. It's just so awful, 23 years old her whole life ahead of her. She was a teacher so had probably just finished work for the day and wanted to de-stress.

AIBU to think this poor girl should have been able to go for a run on a lovely winter afternoon safely? I know I am not BU just don't know where else to post. I am truly shocked and horrified.

I was upset when I read about it. But sadly, I wasn't surprised.

Men murder women. ALL THE TIME. Minimum of 2 per day. MINIMUM.

And that's just in the UK.

Nobody cares.

As Germaine Greer said 'women do not know just how much, men hate them'

Can you think of another demographic that has the same level of disparity in terms of of violent and sexual crimes compared to other groups?

Never mind that no one is making any accusations whatsoever towards every single man. It is not an accusation to discuss the fact that the overwhelming majority of violent and sexual crime is committed by men.

[quote Kanaloa]@Yebbie

She’s not a troll as such. She pops up on threads like this a lot, saying stuff like men are better to work for than women, women are bitchier than men, stuff like that. I remember because I always find it so sad. Like if women hate women like that where are you supposed to go?[/quote]
That tells me all I need to know then, thank you. I won't waste any more breath.

[quote Kanaloa]@Yebbie

She’s not a troll as such. She pops up on threads like this a lot, saying stuff like men are better to work for than women, women are bitchier than men, stuff like that. I remember because I always find it so sad. Like if women hate women like that where are you supposed to go?[/quote]
I don't hate women. I hate modern feminist rhetoric and identity politics. Alongside the vast majority of young women.

Vast majority of women vote in preference or working for men. It's a fact.

The man arrested on suspicion of the murder of Aisling Murphy has been released and is no longer considered a suspect.

www.rte.ie/news/2022/0113/1273394-tullamore-murder-investigation/

Can you think of another demographic that has the same level of disparity in terms of of violent and sexual crimes compared to other groups?

Yes. Certain ethnic groups are 'over represented in every stage of the criminal justice system' according to the ONS.

The suspect who was arrested has been released.

I'm so confused . I thought the 2 women witnesses saw him, and pointed him to the police.

How did they get that wrong.

@Mufasa1118

The suspect who was arrested has been released.

I'm so confused . I thought the 2 women witnesses saw him, and pointed him to the police.

How did they get that wrong.

It's not impossible for more than one person to roughly fit a description and be in the area at the time. Presumably the police wouldn't say he was eliminated from the enquiry unless they had specific evidence to exclude him.

It's still very early on in the investigation. There will hopefully be forensics, other witnesses coming forward, people who've noticed someone acting oddly in the hours after the attack and so on.

Yes. The guy picked up fitted a general eye witness account under very traumatic circumstances and he had 110 previous convictions so was reasonable to bring him in. The Guards never said they weren't looking for anyone else. In fact they continued to ask about the bike.

Hopefully they find the murderer soon. Heartbreaking for the poor family who absolutely do not need to be thinking this man is still roaming the streets on top of everything else. Also frightening (I always say this in these cases) that there’s a man with all these previous convictions, even if he didn’t do this specific crime.

I’m thinking of the parents tonight. Absolute worst nightmare.

I often wonder if a phone app or something similar could help in these situations. Maybe even using voice recognition when 'active', allowing response to be dispatched to GPS location after a safeword is detected. Perhaps unrealistic but more likely than telling all men to stop being violent.

@EightWheelGirl

I often wonder if a phone app or something similar could help in these situations. Maybe even using voice recognition when 'active', allowing response to be dispatched to GPS location after a safeword is detected. Perhaps unrealistic but more likely than telling all men to stop being violent.

Privacy concerns for women aside, it's unlikely that help could get there in time. But also, the majority of women are murdered at home.

Better funded public services would help more. Social services, mental health support, housing, police and criminal justice system. And, education and early intervention with potential perpetrators before it gets to the stage of violence and murder.

Better funded public services would help more. Social services, mental health support, housing, police and criminal justice system. And, education and early intervention with potential perpetrators before it gets to the stage of violence and murder.

As an aside, for those posters mentioning violence against men, eg. gang crime. The above solutions are equally relevant for those cases too.

That tells me all I need to know then, thank you. I won't waste any more breath.

Same - thanks Yebbie and Kanaloa 👍

Gotta maintain that echo chamber, right?

I cried and cried watching the news today. I am so sad and so angry for her family. I am so sad and so angry for 30 or so little children who have to wrap their heads around the fact that their teacher won't be in today because she has been murdered in their rural town in the middle of the day.

They released the man who was in custody and he's been "eliminated from the investigation". If they do catch him, there will no doubt be a reference to multiple previous convictions. It takes a murder for our justice system to react.

It's actually a good thing if certain posters are going to pipe down now that the discussion has moved away from blaming innocent men and onto potential solutions to help target the issue.

@EightWheelGirl

It's actually a good thing if certain posters are going to pipe down now that the discussion has moved away from blaming innocent men and onto potential solutions to help target the issue.

Yes I think your potential solution was an app that women can use to say a safe word and alert the police when they’re attacked by a man. Which you felt would be more realistic than ‘telling all men to stop being violent.’

So basically a bit of sticky tape on a crack in the wall.

@Kanaloa

If they can't be trusted not to rape and murder women then they should have a curfew

This is what I meant by like ‘what’s the point’ in terms of how you try to mitigate risk. Like how would a curfew have helped, this happened in the daytime? And as murder is already extremely illegal surely if you’re planning on killing a woman flouting curfew isn’t going to really put you off.

Yeah my wording didn't come out well as I'm cross! It was meant to read more... sort the men out and stop talking about segregation for women. If that makes sense

Like when people say don't do X at night.. it's not the women being out that's the issue, it's the men so make them stay in!

When I go out for walks, I encounter many male cyclists who cycle on the pavements and seem to think they have right of way over any pedestrians. Perhaps this young woman did not give way to him (not that she should need to) and there was a collision/near miss, then he lost his temper. If that's the way it happened, it's appalling that a male cyclist has battered a woman to death for not giving way to him. I feel the man's family must surely recognise the bike in question, and will probably be well aware of the man's temper, along with his regular cycling route. He will surely be caught.

@Mufasa1118

The suspect who was arrested has been released.

I'm so confused . I thought the 2 women witnesses saw him, and pointed him to the police.

How did they get that wrong.

They probably gave a rough description to the police, the guy with his 110 previous convictions is well known to them. Tney put 2 and 2 together and decided he was worth arresting and interviewing, after the interview they now know he could not be responsibly and so he is released and eliminated from enquires.

look at it from the police point, if they have a known potential suspect in the area and left him walking around for a week while they conducted inquires and he went off and did something else in the mean time we'd be screaming at them for not arresting him earlier.

Seems like they have acted fast and well in this case and eliminated an obvious suspect very fast allowing them concentrate on other leads.

I don't hate women. I hate modern feminist rhetoric and identity politics. Alongside the vast majority of young women.

Can you expand on this please?

Making it men vs women won't help as the people best placed to tackle it are non violent men - the majority of law enforcement, politicians, etc.

There’s the problem right there. Law enforcement, politics, the whole justice system, everywhere, needs to be run with at least equal representation of women: or we need our own separate systems to the men’s with equal or greater power to call the men’s to account.

I’m so tired of men’s feelings and priorities taking priority over those of women’s, the gateway to the future.

@EightWheelGirl

Criminals are the problem, not men. The fact that the majority happen to be men still doesn't mean that non criminal men are responsible in any way.

Looking the other way, closing ranks, blaming women for the attacks they experience - its absolutely a choice and a mindset that the majority of men buy into along with the myriad of small acts of domestic misogyny you can read about here every day.

Well over 90% of violence is committed by men, its nearer to 100% for sexual violence. The sheer percentage of women who report harassment, coercion and violence at the hands of men makes it clear that this is not a few bad apples, its systemic misogyny and only men can change themselves.

The only sensible strategy for women is to assume any man is a risk until proven otherwise and any person attempting to derail the debate bleating "NAMALT" derail is part of the problem.

You spend a lot of time on this forum whatabouting and derailing discussions on the issue of male violence against women. I've yet to see you propose any solutions which make demands on men rather than wanting women to bend further to accommodate men.