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Why are some parents so selfish !!!

194 replies

YogaRebel · 13/01/2022 08:02

Is it just me or do some parents constantly moan about how inconvenient their children are ? In front of them too. Triggers me.

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SafferUpNorth · 13/01/2022 11:58

@Andtheyalllookjustthesame

It is important for parents to vent, ofc, but I also think that a lot of this reinforces the idea that kids are inherently wild and naughty and not naturally good, kind, polite, and considerate. This is nonsense. Kids have great capacity for positive behaviour and all these good attributes. They aren't wild animals to be tamed into submission, they are motivated by the same things that we adults are. Social acceptance and approval, love, compassion, kindness, creativity, fun, laugher, a thirst for knowledge, a desire to do well and to improve themselves. If my children behave like monsters, I don't think that that is because they are kids. I think it's sign that I need to teach them better skills for self discipline, emotional regulation and frustration tolerance. Children are brilliant at living up to our expectations. If we expect them to be monstrous, they will be. If we expect them to be the best of humanity then they will often rise to that expectation too. They are able of a lot more than a lot of grown ups give them credit for.
THIS Very well said @Andtheyalllookjustthesame I agree 100%
Beautiful3 · 13/01/2022 11:59

@scaredsadandstuck honestly, I never have done that. I don't see what business it is of anyone's, anyway. When I see family and friends we talk about normal stuff.

purpleboy · 13/01/2022 12:04

@Andtheyalllookjustthesame your posts are completely spot on.

WindInTheWillows7 · 13/01/2022 12:04

I agree with you, OP. The least parents can do is pay their children basic respect.

Kennykenkencat · 13/01/2022 12:06

Putting kids in holidays clubs isn't negative

It is if you don’t ever spend time with your child during the other 50 weeks of the year

I do get triggered by parents talking negatively about their children infront of them because I had similar growing up and people would think my mother was hilarious. She would say things in such a way that suggested it was a funny story and other mums would laugh along. She would make up things that I had done just to justify how terrible I was. People really did think she loved me and it was all a big joke but I knew she meant every word. I used to look forward to being put into care or palmed off on a relative (usually during the school holidays) because she couldn’t cope.
She would say so often that children ruined your life and I should never have been born. (I suspect I was a failed back street abortion attempt). Whilst I really wanted children it wasn’t until I was much older that I finally became pregnant
Whether it was because I didn’t want to repeat the childhood I had and did the exact opposite to what my mother did or I am a natural mother but I love being a mum. My only regret is I left getting pregnant till so late that I couldn’t have more children. If anything children made my life brilliant and looking back I think I would have had a better life if I had set out to become pregnant at 17

When I hear parents complain infront of their children about them I always think, would you complain about any other person in front of them. Would you give a character assassination of a friend if the friend was stood next to you.

Toomanyradishes · 13/01/2022 12:07

*46scaredsadandstuck

Toomanyradishes

Sometimes my children are arseholes, and sometimes I tell them that or tell other people they are being arseholes. I also love them madly and tell them so frequently. I am very conscious that I don't want my kids to believe that being loved is only possible if you are perfect.

And if your partner calls you an arehole and tells other people you are being an arsehole is it okay if they also tell you they love you?

In the context of a safe, loving, healthy relationship? If there is not a clear pattern of abuse and imbalance of power? If it's a heat of the moment argument? If I am in fact being an arsehole?

Right now if my husband called me an arsehole, or I him, it would be very bad. Our relationship is not in a good place. In the past, it would have been ok because we were communicating well, being respectful of each other and our marriage was overall healthy. It's all about context. I mean have you never ever been angry enough to call someone you love a name? Even if you know it's not exactly grown up behaviour?*

But there is an inbalance of power, because you are an adult and they are a child. Unless your child ycan also tell you you are an arsehole, tell other people you are an areshole, and not get into trouble for it then there is an inbalance of power.

You have the ability to leave the house if you are having an argument and your husband upsets you. You can ultimately leave him if he calls you an areshole one too many times. Your child cant. They just have to take it. But that doesnt mean they have to love or respect you for calling them names. There is always always an inbalance of power which means its not okay to go telling children they are aresholes but its okay because you love them.

Telling them their behaviour is challenging is one thing, telling them they themselves are an areshole is something else.

Goldenbear · 13/01/2022 12:07

I hate it when this venting happens and you are the recipient as it makes me feel uneasy and that they want you to help them justify their irritations by agreeing and giving your examples. I have said in the past in a jokey way, 'that's a bit cruel I'm sure he's lovely aren't you Billy's as I'm trying to shut it down. Fundamentally, I think in my head that at 40 years old you need to understand you are the one leading the way here, get some help but don't expect the 6 year old to share the burden.

Emerald5hamrock · 13/01/2022 12:07

@Goldenbear That's a good point when a child is being disruptive there's usually a reason for

Toomanyradishes · 13/01/2022 12:09

Fundamentally, I think in my head that at 40 years old you need to understand you are the one leading the way here, get some help but don't expect the 6 year old to share the burden.

This, I totally agree with this

KittyKattyFosterMummy · 13/01/2022 12:12

Well, I always felt a bit inadequate but reading this I must be the worst mother in the world. Of course some parents are rubbish and make their children feel awful. I don't think anyone would say that calling your child "a little shit" is okay. But sometimes background and context are literally everything.

I never wanted children because I don't like children but when my daughter arrived I loved her with all my heart. She knows these facts because it came up in conversation and I told her the truth.

I was brought up in the 70's, kids were seen and not heard. Parents (as a rule) neither played with their children nor helped with homework. I really struggle with both because I have no imagination and I'm a bit dense, she is pretty bright and by aged about 8, most of her homework was beyond my ability. I can and do play Scrabble with her and other games, but getting down and pretending to play is something I just can't do. Her dad though does both, because he is clever and has a good imagination. She knows this and doesn't think she's an inconvenience because I say "wait until your dad comes home because he'll play cushion forts with you!"

She goes to boarding school and when covid hit they closed the school at very short (2 days) notice. We were overseas and couldn't leave. So until we managed to sort something out, a friend of my daughter's mum offered to take her, which solved the problem! I was grateful and relieved. My daughter knew it was a problem that needed solving, not that SHE was the problem, or an inconvenience! So in the example from a PP, context is everything!

My daughter is dyspraxic and VERY clingy, even as a teenager she needs to be right by my side, often touching me, she needs to know what she is doing every hour of every day and asks multiple times. Combined with my difficulty with playing, I will be totally honest and admit that I am very relieved when the holidays are over. So is she, I'm boring, she tells me! She wants to get back to her friends and chat late into the night in dorms and go on trips on weekends with her friends. Much better option than going well, pretty much anywhere, with mum & dad!

But, despite all that, my daughter knows she is loved, she knows I am far from perfect, that sometimes I lose my temper and say something which I then apologise for. But that also means she will never have that disappointment that most kids go through at some age when they realise that parents aren't infallible. She knows I am human, the value of a real apology and knows that sometimes people say things they don't really mean.

She is well balanced, well adjusted and we have a happy and loving relationship but I'm sure I would be harshly judged by some looking in from the outside.

CaveWoman1 · 13/01/2022 12:13

Hmmm - there's a whole world of difference between an uncaring, harsh parenting style, coupled with frequent comments like "you were a mistake/he's a little shit/I wish he'd fucking sort it out/he's not going to be my problem soon........to a loving, ever-present parenting style with occasional expressions of exasperation; "I have to say things five, six times before he listens/I wish she'd just give over/It's become an issue, hasn't it....."

What matters MORE is the parenting style, because words are taken into context accordingly. So it's about the place those words are coming from more than anything else.

EarlGreywithLemon · 13/01/2022 12:19

@Kennykenkencat so sorry about your childhood, but amazing to hear how you’ve changed all that with your own child. You sound like a warm, loving and strong person, and your children are very lucky to have you as a mother.
I agree with you - I’m very grateful to be a mother and I love being one. My daughter has hugely enriched and improved my life. I don’t find her boring, or an asshole, or an inconvenience- it saddens me hugely when people think that way of their kids. Where the reason behind it is poverty or other difficult circumstances, I feel even sadder for all involved.
It’s become almost fashionable now to see parenthood as a hardship and a chore. I understand that’s a reaction to the fact that complaining in any way about parenting was a taboo for so long. But I’m not sure the current trend is that helpful either.

FireDancer1 · 13/01/2022 12:19

Partly a reason I come off of Facebook.. seeing other mums call their children little cU#!s, and moaning every single day about them made my blood boil. I can't deal with such negative posts about children

sweetcheekweak · 13/01/2022 12:19

@ineedsun

No one is saying that mothers should never say anything negative about their kids, but that there are lasting consequences for kids who repeatedly hear that they’re not wanted, worthless or shit or an arse.
Plenty on this thread are saying just that
Thatldo · 13/01/2022 12:20

Most people are selfish to a greater or lesser extend.This does not change when they become parents.I have read many threads here on MN and selfish thinking is very prominent.This can be in regards to anything from environmental concerns to kids needs to relationship problems.

mam0918 · 13/01/2022 12:20

@YogaRebel

Is it just me or do some parents constantly moan about how inconvenient their children are ? In front of them too. Triggers me.
There was a parent who was like that at my DS school.

She was the self-proclaimed 'prosecco mummy' who constantly bragged about NEEDING a bottle or two of prosecco a night (always felt like saying 'I think that's called alcoholism' lol) and constantly loudly bragged about how all 3 of her kids were drunken accidents when she was on the pill and how she never wanted kids but got stuck with 3.

I was 6 years into infertility treatments at the time and had just had a miscarriage of a very tried-for baby... I avoided her like the plague but god her voice carried on the playground.

sweetcheekweak · 13/01/2022 12:21

@Toomanyradishes

Sometimes my children are arseholes, and sometimes I tell them that or tell other people they are being arseholes. I also love them madly and tell them so frequently. I am very conscious that I don't want my kids to believe that being loved is only possible if you are perfect.

And if your partner calls you an arehole and tells other people you are being an arsehole is it okay if they also tell you they love you?

Really don't get this logic

You don't sometimes call your partner an arse too?

Goodness me

stayathomer · 13/01/2022 12:24

It's funny, there's some people who would see me as the most positive, sunny person in the world, and others who would see me as a moanbag. I moan at some people and not at others, you might just be the person they moan at! And I adore my kids to the ends of the earth, they are my everything and I tell them that a number of times a day, but yes, I do sometimes moan about being wrecked and them breaking me!

Goldenbear · 13/01/2022 12:26

I think that's really disrespectful actually but even if this was the case, you are an equal to your partner/husband/wife (well actually I would wonder if my DH thought that if he was always namecalling) a child doesn't share that equal power with you and you are using it in an unfair way. Neither are their Brains fully developed so I would worry about the impact on them.

Andtheyalllookjustthesame · 13/01/2022 12:28

When I first became a parent I got really into Mum books like 'Toddlers are assholes' and the Gin Mummy ones. I thought I was all a bit of a laugh calling kids names and blaming them for casual alcoholism/depression/marriage breakdown/ruined body/ruined vagina etc. But it's not really funny is it? When this happens in adult relationships we call it verbal and emotional abuse. We know it damages adults self esteem and confidence. So what does it do to kids?

Instead of saying 'my kids are arseholes and they are driving me crazy' why not own your actual feelings? 'I am suffering from parental burnout right now and need a break' to the friend or spouse or to the kids 'you are behaving badly and I am finding it very upsetting' instead of teeth gritting don't say anything, they're all monsters, they ruined my life, Im off to self medicate with Gordon's finest. I mean if you want to share horror stories and get drunk, kudos to you. We all need to vent sometimes. Just not in front of impressionable minds who rely on you for love, reassurance and sense of their place in the world. That just makes you the arsehole not them

sweetcheekweak · 13/01/2022 12:28

@Goldenbear

I think that's really disrespectful actually but even if this was the case, you are an equal to your partner/husband/wife (well actually I would wonder if my DH thought that if he was always namecalling) a child doesn't share that equal power with you and you are using it in an unfair way. Neither are their Brains fully developed so I would worry about the impact on them.
Your husbands brain might also not be fully developed until 40 - doesn't make a difference to 'name calling'

Or what some on here perceive as name calling

God I'm glad I don't know any of you irl, calling your husband an arse when they've been an arse, calling your stroppy teenager a dick when they've been a dick - all normal

ToykotoLosAngeles · 13/01/2022 12:38

God I'm glad I don't know any of you irl, calling your husband an arse when they've been an arse, calling your stroppy teenager a dick when they've been a dick - all normal

You're really good at ignoring "tells other people you've been an arsehole" in your repeated replies to that post.

Goldenbear · 13/01/2022 12:40

I didn't grow up with name calling so the men in my life, Dad, Grandad, uncles wouldn't refer to the women in my family as Arses or cows or bitches and visa versa.

I have a teenager and he was friends with boys that turned out to be not very nice people and interestingly their Mums used to always refer to them in a negative way or that they were bound to so 'stupid things' because they were teenage boys. It was ridiculous and I ended pointing out that I doubt my DS would be compelled to do those things at all. He has other friends now that are the popular but positive kids and kind, I do wonder what their parents are like as I certainly think there is a correlation.

baroqueandblue · 13/01/2022 12:41

God I'm glad I don't know any of you irl, calling your husband an arse when they've been an arse, calling your stroppy teenager a dick when they've been a dick - all normal

Some people frequently doing that is only normalisation of abusive language, resorted to because those people don't own their frustrations and intolerances and express that by using 'I', instead of name-calling others. I'm learning this, I've done plenty of name calling in my time, largely because that's what I learned growing up. Someone wise who knows about the effects of abusive language on others explained to me that telling people how their behaviour is affecting you instead of labelling them in abusive terms like dick, arse hole, shit is not just a powerful conflict resolution skill but a shortcut to people figuring out what personal power they actually have.

Sadly, many people would rather delude themselves into believing abusive language aimed at others is 'normal' and 'big' Confused. Actually, it's lazy and ignorant.

Goldenbear · 13/01/2022 12:42

Also, change your expectations, of course teenagers can be stroppy, it is hormonal but at the end of the day realise this and get a grip no need to resort to stroppiness yourself.

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