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AIBU to not want my son to do rugby because of the culture?

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sausagedogsforever · 11/01/2022 11:38

I probably am being unreasonable but, my DS aged 5 really wants to do rugby. He once had a taster session, loved it and has asked to go since (for a good year). So shows no signs of getting over the urge.

I am thinking maybe I should take him again to another taster (maybe he won't like it) but also what if he loves it?

I used to like watching rugby and I find the games much more family friendly to watch than football matches. However, I've heard terrible things about rugby players and rugby playing culture? Like gross drinking games, sexism, just all round bad behaviour and treatment of women, initiation games to fit in etc.
is this really what it's like? Does anyone have any experience?
The other issue is injury, it's likely in a sport like that, so do I really want to encourage this?
Any advice welcome. Has anyone got a rugby playing son/husband?
Am I being unreasonable?

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SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 11/01/2022 15:36

DH plays rugby and DS 5 has just started mini rugby too.

I actually find DHs team mates lovely. They are very caring of one another's families, I know when I've been out with then before they are protective of each other and look out for each other.

Yes they are all 30-40 year old men who think they have the resilience of teenagers (physically from matches and ability to drink and not suffer with a hangover), but they're all good people.

As the saying goes, it's a barbaric sport played by gentlemen.

BuggerOffAndGoodDayToYou · 11/01/2022 15:38

My son has SEN and finds all sports frightening, however I’d much prefer him to be part of the rugby fraternity than football. My DH has okayed both at local clubs and stopped playing football because he found the whole culture sexist, thuggish and racist - no family friendliness about it at all. The rugby club however was very family friendly, no sexism or racism and simply a nicer atmosphere.

mugoftea456 · 11/01/2022 15:39

You are being ridiculous.

Team sports are great for children.

Trickleg · 11/01/2022 15:45

Apologies @Itsalmostanaccessory I should have made it clear that I meant in England (where I team manage a group of u10s who were most put out when covid delayed contact)

Trickleg · 11/01/2022 15:47

And yes at u9s it’s gumshields, proper tackling

itwasntaparty · 11/01/2022 15:48

All the state schools play rugby here, DH s head of PE and teaches they sometimes hold their own against the private schools.

I went to a state school and did Lacrosse, never played hockey. that was always interesting.

DestinyIsAll · 11/01/2022 16:07

Sorry, a bit long and I’m echoing what some others have already said, but this is our experience.

We’re a rugby (union) family, DH played and my ds’s showed interest and played club rugby from early primary age (starting with tag rugby). Ds2, now 21, is a passionate and talented player who has continued to play at a high level and also now plays tor his uni team, it’s a huge part of his (our) life.

The main plus points:
Camaraderie and friendships. Great set of incredibly strong supportive lifelong friendships, great ice breaker e.g., at uni (across all classes). Good networking for later in life.

It’s a great distraction from the monotony and stress of studying/working. Though they didn’t play much 2020/21 the training kept ds going through lockdown and remote studying away from home. He’s said that he feels it has really made the difference from sinking in to a real depression through Covid, but even out of Covid times, it’s supportive in that it gives a great sense of belonging.

Club rugby, especially younger years has a great sense of inclusiveness. Anyone of any ability can join and will get a chance to play (I would caveat that by saying that as you get older and players are bigger/stronger, you need to have the skills/technique to play safely).

Very family orientated through all ages of club rugby. Lots of additional social events and parental support of the club.

Respect and sportsmanship. They hold officials and rules in high regard and accept ‘authority’ even when they think it’s unfair.

Training: strength, fitness and ingrained discipline.

Our club has a womens team which is very well respected by the mens.

They absolutely bloody love it. There’s nothing like it.

My ds described the ‘culture’ as this: to instil in players, values of teamwork, trust and cooperation, hard work, commitment and perseverance, confidence, fitness and health, sacrifice, graciousness in defeat, honesty, preparation, dedication.

From colts onwards and uni level, so way ahead of you yet obviously, yes they drink on their ‘social’ eves after training and games, sometimes too much, e.g., drinking games, initiations and egging each other on, some do choose not to and this is respected if they can’t drink due to personal or religious reasons. The ‘banter’ is questionable at times.

Downside: mainly related to possible injuries.
The longer they play and with good coaching, they learn how to tackle and scrum etc properly and safely, i.e., to minimise injury. But obviously as they get older, they also get much bigger and stronger. There is more awareness these days with regard to e.g.,concussions and head injury assessments. Injuries inevitably happen to some, and for the most part are superficial, sprains, black eye, dislocated finger etc. They become tough and take a lot of knocks. We’ve seen a few broken arms and legs, ourselves have had two broken shoulders, one very badly and completely rebuilt with an op, a broken ankle, thumb, noses, ribs. But that is continuous play over a high level for 15-20 years, it doesn’t necessarily apply as the ‘norm’ . If we always looked at a negative ‘what if’ scenario we’d never do anything.

Our long experience of rugby (culture) is probably pretty near the exact opposite of what non playing people think. Without exception the friends my ds’s have made have been fantastic young men. They play hard and they sometimes do party hard but they also work hard too. I’m not saying it doesn’t exist but I’ve personally never seen inappropriate, disrespectful or blatant sexist behaviour, and I agree (and so does ds) that the way you parent and the values you instil are relevant to how they go on to behave in any situation.

My dcs have tried various hobbies and sports, kids just need to try different experiences and find out what they like. For us the benefits of playing has outweighed the risks and our experience with rugby has only been positive and life enhancing.

BoredZelda · 11/01/2022 16:07

It still is, that’s why only private schools play and hardly any state schools do. I give up!

Every state school plays rugby in our area. Rugby was part of the PE curriculum back when I was a teenager decades ago and still is. There are 160 competitive club rugby teams in Scotland alone. It isn’t just the preserve of the upper / middle classes any more.

BruceBogtrottersWife · 11/01/2022 16:13

Rugby culture has been a big part of life for several men in my family. All pretty 'laddish' on the surface but real salt of the earth, genuine types with a lot of integrity, good manners and shirt of their back mentality. :)

BruceBogtrottersWife · 11/01/2022 16:14

Off*
Plus he'll likely make great friends for life ifhe does stick with it. Don't worry. Plus, as other have said I doubt he'll be partaking in drinking games just yet ;)
And yes, drinking games is pretty much normal oral for many young men anyway. Not really something to be clutching one's pearls about.

BoredZelda · 11/01/2022 16:17

My friend lives near Twickenham, lots of disgusting stories about the fans on game day. No violence but very anti social behaviour.

I have a relative who works at a rugby stadium, which occasionally hosts major football matches. The difference in the security requirements is immense. The last football match there were upwards of 300 police officers on duty in and around the stadium. For the last Autumn test (with a full crowd) there were 6. They need three times as many G4S security for football as for rugby, and bear in mind they had to ban alcohol at football so 60,000 drunk rugby fans cause less trouble than 60,000 sober football ones.

You will find a level of anti social behaviour wherever there are large groups of people, but suggesting the behaviour outside Twickenham is on a par with the behaviour outside Tottenham is incorrect.

elliejjtiny · 11/01/2022 16:22

It will be fine. My boys play rugby. Older 2 gave up at around age 12/13 and younger 3 still play. All played mixed sex and no drinking games or sexism.

PotatoPie888 · 11/01/2022 16:29

Maybe in the Home Counties state schools ply rugby but I couldn’t name a single state school I know of which plays rugby Union.

PotatoPie888 · 11/01/2022 16:32

And considering that 93% of children in the UK are state educated and barely any make it into the England rugby team, state school kids are either not great at rugby, the coaching in state schools is rubbish or very few state schools comparatively speaking actually play rugby Union Confused

mumsiedarlingrevolta · 11/01/2022 16:33

My DS State School played rugby-compulsory for Autumn term

to be fair I am in Berkshire

Trickleg · 11/01/2022 16:39

@PotatoPie888 what often/sometimes happens is very good state school players get offered scholarships by the big rugby playing private schools at sixth form to bolster their 1st XV (Millfield, Dulwich, Harrow) - so the stats are very slightly misleading. Our local state school has provided several members of the local pro team academy but they are all listed under their prestigious private sixth forms not their much less prestigious former school

Bagamoyo1 · 11/01/2022 16:40

Kids undergo so many changes , you have no idea if he’ll still be keen on rugby in 10 years, 5 years , or even 6 months. What you do know is that right now he wants to do a team sport, which is completely safe at his age, and will get him outdoors running around with his friends. Trust me, that might not seem like a big thing now, but when he’s a bit older and screens take over, you’ll be wishing he was passionate about an outdoor sport.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 11/01/2022 16:58

@PotatoPie888

And considering that 93% of children in the UK are state educated and barely any make it into the England rugby team, state school kids are either not great at rugby, the coaching in state schools is rubbish or very few state schools comparatively speaking actually play rugby Union Confused
Ah. Those students I taught at a level. Most were state educated and the ones in the elite academy had many from state schools, who now play professionally, and for their countries.

Your experience / understanding of it differs from mine. I am state schooled, only ever taught in FE, state funded, even the sports specialist college with the elite academies.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 11/01/2022 17:02

Yes, as Trickleg says. Another route is that they get a sports scholarship in mid teens. But they were state educated, picked up by scouts at school and / or grass roots clubs.

I'm not saying there is no class or money advantage in rugby. But it has done a lot of work on its grass roots clubs and elite pathways.

Schools round here have rugby as a mandatory winter sport, always have had. Football is very secondary to rugby in many places.

Freshprincess · 11/01/2022 17:10

@PotatoPie888

Maybe in the Home Counties state schools ply rugby but I couldn’t name a single state school I know of which plays rugby Union.
I’m in rugby league country and it’s played in all the state schools round here. It’s very popular up north and not considered posh.
Feilin · 11/01/2022 17:14

My brother is a rugby player. Growing up it gave him an outlet . He has made lifelong friends . Yes they partied hard and played hard in their late teens early 20s but most people do whether they play rugby or not. His playing rugby has given him something very good in his friends . They are supportive of each other. The team does seem to go beyond just the game.

PotatoPie888 · 11/01/2022 17:17

That is such rubbish @Freshprincess I would love to know where you live Grin

PotatoPie888 · 11/01/2022 17:23

Honestly this website is hilarious. Some of you will argue black is white.
Rugby Union is a working-class sport, every state school plays it and nobody ever gets injured. It’s mad.

OldaRailer · 11/01/2022 17:27

Fresh Princess mentions R League.
Confused

caringcarer · 11/01/2022 17:28

Initiation ceremony at 5 and drinking games. Wow OP you are overthinking this massively. Let him go and enjoy himself. Coaches will stress health and safety.

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