To think Molly Mae is getting shit because she’s a woman?

[BlisterConcern]

Yes, the comments are ignorant and naive. But I think people are going way too far with the abuse. I’ve seen many posts on social media (mainly from men) complaining about her comments and they have intentionally tagged really unflattering photos of her (like midway through talking) to the post where they go on like she’s the devil incarnate.

Many, many male celebrities have preached the same stuff. I have teen DD’s and DSD’s who all have male celebrities they are fans of and I’ve heard of these celebrities saying the same stuff. That if you work hard and “hustle” you will succeed.

There’s also lots of self-help Instagram accounts that preach the same stuff. These accounts are popular with young lads and are ran by men and seem to be aimed at men. Often they focus on cars and how you can have your dream car just like the guy behind the account if you follow his advice, buy his breathing technique course and work hard bla bla bla. These people don’t seem to get crucified the way Molly Mae has done.

Also a lot of male rappers who are popular these days such as Aitch make it their whole brand to show off about how they are successful because they took a chance and work hard bla bla bla. Aitch is a rapper from a very rough area of Manchester who got a lucky break. Molly Mae is more middle class but she went to a comp school and wasn’t outrageously wealthy. She just wasn’t on the breadline, why should she apologise for that? One of Aitch’s song lyrics is “I’ve got your boyfriend’s monthly wage in my jeans.” (DD loves the song). Nobody has ever come after him for that.

It seems to me that:

A man from a non-celeb average background gets a lucky break and becomes famous and rich and tries to inspire his fans to work hard and do the same = amazing and down to earth and inspiring

A woman from a non-celeb average background gets a lucky break and becomes rich and famous and tries to inspire her fans to work hard and do the same = a silly thick little cow who is only good for her looks and should keep her mouth shut and know her place.

I honestly believe if her boyfriend had made the same comments nobody would have batted an eyelid.

But Tyson Fury is a boxer - he did train and work and literally sweat for what he's got, didn't he?

I agree with you that the absolute glee that people are taking into piling onto her isn't just about her. And I also agree that people are more uncomfortable with female success (though female rappers also talk about their wealth and material possessions). But I think in this case people hate her because they hate the kind of 'famous for nothing' celebrity that they feel she represents. If one of the men from Love Island had said it they wouldn't have been treated any more kindly.

You do not have to be pretty to become a boxer/footballer. Sure it will help after you're established. (David Beckham as an example) it does require talent. I think that talent is ridiculously paid but that's another thread. Her boyfriend is regularly mocked as a boxer, comments like if it weren't for your brother, fighting youtubers etc.

For what it's worth I think she is an attractive smart young woman who has capitalised off her Love Island experience. She has lasted long in a world of disposable "celebrities" through smart choices and being popular.

But to make her motivational speeches while being an ambassador for a fast fashion company, who has been under investigation for work conditions and shitty pay is stupid and will bite her in the arse.

@Mummadeze

Agreed. I think it’s pretty grim that people are reducing her to her looks and implying she’d be in the gutter without them. Really nasty I think. Many previous attractive young girls have come and gone but she’s managed to keep herself in the limelight. She has done something right. She’s taken opportunities offered to her, good for her. Yes she should acknowledge not everybody gets these opportunities and that the vast vast majority don’t but I think her comments are being twisted and over exaggerated by social media.

She never said “stop being poor”. I also think she was likely aiming her advice to her followers specifically (so young girls) who are just starting out in life, to find something they want to achieve and use their spare time to achieve it? I don’t think the advice was aimed at somebody like me, I can’t get too bothered by it.

I don’t see why Aitch who makes entire songs going on about women’s arses and shows off about all of his money is any better than Molly Mae trying to give (admittedly misguided, naive and silly) advice to her fans.

There is a a massive double standard in the media. It is EVERYWHERE. I could take the football argument seriously if female footballers were appreciated and paid to anywhere near the same degree as male ones, but they aren’t.

It goes much deeper than Molly Mae. It’s everywhere and it makes my blood boil.

Her success is even down to the misogynistic ideals in society that women need to look a certain way and be a certain way and can’t step a foot out of line. She chose it yes but she is around because there’s a market for her.

@BlisterConcern

I don’t see why Aitch who makes entire songs going on about women’s arses and shows off about all of his money is any better than Molly Mae trying to give (admittedly misguided, naive and silly) advice to her fans.

There is a a massive double standard in the media. It is EVERYWHERE. I could take the football argument seriously if female footballers were appreciated and paid to anywhere near the same degree as male ones, but they aren’t.

It goes much deeper than Molly Mae. It’s everywhere and it makes my blood boil.

I don't see why you keep going on about Aitch.

There's a few differences here between someone who made their own career as a rapper and someone else who sat on instagram then went on Love Island

@BlisterConcern

Her success is even down to the misogynistic ideals in society that women need to look a certain way and be a certain way and can’t step a foot out of line. She chose it yes but she is around because there’s a market for her.

Good, you've admitted there was a market for her. She doesn't have the same 24 hours in her day as everyone else. You've answered your own question

I suspect it’s because she’s a reality star/influencer rather than a woman. She confirms all the bad things people suspect about their attitudes.

@bcc89.

It’s 2022. Social media is a huge element of society. Influencing however you feel about it is a new career path emerging from it. The vast majority of people who set out to be influencers will flop. You’ve got to have something about you. Looks is a lot of it but you have to have some brains and the confidence to contact brands etc to start liaising. You’ve got to know how to market yourself.

I have some influencers who I really like. I have severe debilitating endometriosis and follow some accounts on Instagram of women documenting their journey with it. It helps me to have people I relate to.

People whinge about these influencers and yet still follow them and stay up to date with them. They are not all bad. Molly Mae is more of a generic looks based influencer but there is a huge market for her.

@bcc89.

Except I’ve never said I agreed with her advice, did I? This thread isn’t about her advice. If a male celebrity of a similar ilk said it there wouldn’t be an outrage.

Why not? Don’t famous premier league footballers just work a few hours a week but get paid astronomical salaries and are worshipped nationally?

I’m not sure that premier league footballers would say anything so crass though because they would have trained hard with dozens of other boys who trained equally hard but who did not make it into the premier league, including those who remained in lower division teams and those who were looking for other jobs by 20.

@Mummadeze

I haven’t seen her comments or the backlash. But I actually don’t agree with a lot of what’s being said on here. A lot of young women go on reality shows but very few end up with a huge career like she has. She has been blessed with good looks but I think she has worked very hard since Love Island and has shown a lot of business acumen. I personally like her and I think good on her for making the most of her brief appearance on TV.

LUCK. The word you are looking for.

I don't really know what's been said but I agree MM does seem to be a hard worker. I think she is a bit naive if she thinks it's that easy for everyone to make the sort of money she has though.

[quote BlisterConcern]@bcc89.

Except I’ve never said I agreed with her advice, did I? This thread isn’t about her advice. If a male celebrity of a similar ilk said it there wouldn’t be an outrage.[/quote]
You've only given examples of quotes from males who, in my opinion, have worked towards their careers.

I suppose my point as well is…who is making her famous?

Joe Public. Joe Public go mad for Love Island. We as a society created Molly Mae in her current form which is why she’s being held up to such a ridiculous standard.

I’ve corrected a couple of people who genuinely think she said “If you’re homeless buy a house” when she said no such thing. They had just read on Twitter that she had. It’s a bloody joke.

Her advice is NO different to that of many other celebrities. “Do what I did and be like me.”

Her boyfriend has been blasted on SM before. More because people think he isn't a talented boxer and without his brother no one would have known who he is. Recently he pulled out of a fight and was ridiculed over SM.

I suspect he learnt faster to drop the "same 24 hour speech"

I do agree with you though that she is getting too much of a hard time, because she is female. I think influencers are always one wrong move away from being torn to pieces, they became famous because they are relatable or likeable, as soon as they aren't it's onto the next.

[quote BlisterConcern]@bcc89.

It’s 2022. Social media is a huge element of society. Influencing however you feel about it is a new career path emerging from it. The vast majority of people who set out to be influencers will flop. You’ve got to have something about you. Looks is a lot of it but you have to have some brains and the confidence to contact brands etc to start liaising. You’ve got to know how to market yourself.

I have some influencers who I really like. I have severe debilitating endometriosis and follow some accounts on Instagram of women documenting their journey with it. It helps me to have people I relate to.

People whinge about these influencers and yet still follow them and stay up to date with them. They are not all bad. Molly Mae is more of a generic looks based influencer but there is a huge market for her.[/quote]
You have a severe health condition yet you can't see the crassness of someone who got famous and rich due to her body - not exactly something she worked hard for - telling impressionable people they aren't were she is because they didn't work hard enough?
Her comments stink of thatcherism.

I agree with you that women get more stick though.

The equivalent here is someone like Mark Wright, not Marcus Rashford or even David Beckham who were in training on top of school from the age of 4.

3 series of TOWIE and 1 appearance on I'm a celeb, but if he said all you have to do is work your arse off we'd be like - yeah, and be married to a famous actress which keeps you in the headlines.

And even then he's not "working" for a fast fashion retailer using slave labour and having been handed a fake title. Did you know Lady Gaga was "creative director" of Polaroid?

@flashbac.

She literally has the same health condition as me and raised awareness for it.

Look up the Instagram account CultreHustler (spelt that way). Examples of what I’m talking about. Men giving the same advice and being praised as inspirational.

Her advice is NO different to that of many other celebrities. “Do what I did and be like me.”

But that is the problem. How can people make themselves attractive? She's telling people to do something we have no control over. You can't train towards that, you can't study your arse off and become attractive, you can't work your arse off at a job and get promoted to really attractive.

www.instagram.com/reel/CYcQLFShaqg/?utm_medium=copy_link

Case in point.

www.instagram.com/reel/CYe2RlTh9ku/?utm_medium=copy_link

“How are you going to make money hanging around people who’ve got no money”

What a charmer. I’ll ditch my friends and go and invite Elon Musk to come round for a roast tomorrow.

Also the rappers you mention may not be to your taste but they do have a talent which they would have honed over years.

Male footballers are paid a huge amount of money because they are the best at what they do. They have absolutely followed her advice and worked very hard to get where they are.

The point is that she's telling others who want her success to work hard for it when she's got there entirely by chance.

Also are you comparing the creative talent of Tupac to a social media influencer? You're not picking great examples to illustrate your point tbh.

She should just have said 'I can't believe my luck. I'm grateful for every chance I've been given and I'm going to make the most of it. I realise how fortunate I am compared to so many'. Not do a Norman Tebbit 'get on your bike' pull yourself up by your bootstraps interview.