To think Molly Mae is getting shit because she’s a woman?

[BlisterConcern]

Yes, the comments are ignorant and naive. But I think people are going way too far with the abuse. I’ve seen many posts on social media (mainly from men) complaining about her comments and they have intentionally tagged really unflattering photos of her (like midway through talking) to the post where they go on like she’s the devil incarnate.

Many, many male celebrities have preached the same stuff. I have teen DD’s and DSD’s who all have male celebrities they are fans of and I’ve heard of these celebrities saying the same stuff. That if you work hard and “hustle” you will succeed.

There’s also lots of self-help Instagram accounts that preach the same stuff. These accounts are popular with young lads and are ran by men and seem to be aimed at men. Often they focus on cars and how you can have your dream car just like the guy behind the account if you follow his advice, buy his breathing technique course and work hard bla bla bla. These people don’t seem to get crucified the way Molly Mae has done.

Also a lot of male rappers who are popular these days such as Aitch make it their whole brand to show off about how they are successful because they took a chance and work hard bla bla bla. Aitch is a rapper from a very rough area of Manchester who got a lucky break. Molly Mae is more middle class but she went to a comp school and wasn’t outrageously wealthy. She just wasn’t on the breadline, why should she apologise for that? One of Aitch’s song lyrics is “I’ve got your boyfriend’s monthly wage in my jeans.” (DD loves the song). Nobody has ever come after him for that.

It seems to me that:

A man from a non-celeb average background gets a lucky break and becomes famous and rich and tries to inspire his fans to work hard and do the same = amazing and down to earth and inspiring

A woman from a non-celeb average background gets a lucky break and becomes rich and famous and tries to inspire her fans to work hard and do the same = a silly thick little cow who is only good for her looks and should keep her mouth shut and know her place.

I honestly believe if her boyfriend had made the same comments nobody would have batted an eyelid.

@Cornisharchitect

It’s a discussion forum. I can’t sleep and am partaking in a discussion, that okay with you? I was up half the night waiting for my stepdaughter to get home from a night out and couldn’t get back to sleep.

I’m fine, no need to worry.

didn’t burn down a fucking orphanage.
Of course not, free slave labour!

But if she became the next Caroline Flack over it everyone would be out with their hashtags and their candles and their mental health memes again, until the next person makes an error of judgement and round we go again. It's sick. I guarantee that if Caroline Flack had been a man there would have been 0 outpourings, in fact people would say that he was hardly a victim given what he’d been accused of.

I absolutely don’t think that anyone should feel driven to suicide over some social media comments. In fact I think that if it gets that bad then it’s probably time to step away from social media, but let’s be honest here, and I realise it’s not politically correct to say so, but Caroline Flack was no saint. She’d been accused of domestic violence and was under investigation for that. If she’d been a man there would have been threads on here saying there’s no smoke without fire, that women never make this stuff up, and if he’d committed suicide there would even have been people saying that it was likely because he was a coward.

I’m not saying any of that would have been right, but it’s incredibly easy to take one particular example and twist it to get to the narrative that you’re seeking.

I think it sticks in the gullet because she's had opportunities put her way others won't have, no matter how hard they work.

[quote BlisterConcern]@Cornisharchitect

It’s a discussion forum. I can’t sleep and am partaking in a discussion, that okay with you? I was up half the night waiting for my stepdaughter to get home from a night out and couldn’t get back to sleep.

I’m fine, no need to worry.[/quote]
That’s actually a relief. I was genuinely a bit worried.

I’ve seen more about MM on Mumsnet than anywhere else including Twitter (even when she was trending, there were more Tweets about football!). So the best thing to do would be to stop creating threads and drawing attention to her.

The whole social media circus is toxic. Obviously she doesn't deserve death threats etc.

However... she is part of that circus. She has made her entire life about showing people what she does.

So... what do you expect? She - and the rest of them - are as much to blame for this atmosphere

I was horrified by the puppy thing, absolutely appalling. And yes I do not class “work” as an Instagram influencer very highly. Plus raising awareness about conditions you already have, as an influencer is invariably done for the likes/ profile raising and takes very little effort so, whilst helpful, I don’t give her much credit for it either.

My response to her “working hard” comments was - where? In the gym? I don’t see anything more than a life of narcissism and these types don’t actually understand what working your arse off actually entails. They’re mainly talking about chasing contacts and networking and maybe at w push doing auditions.

Try: university for ten years
NHS shifts
Staying at gone to try and stabilise your very autistic child

Those are actual sacrifices and examples of working for your ass off and the likes of her can’t possibly teach me anything about that.

It stinks of my parents 1980s philosophy that ring unemployed or poor was a direct result of poor choices it lazy idleness.

Most people work really hard, way harder that those vacuous cretins.

@bcc89
@ToykotoLosAngeles

Holding someone accountable and sending them death threats on the internet are entirely different things.

Yes Caroline (allegedly) did something violent and terrible, Molly-mae hasn't come anywhere close to that but is still being vilified, threatened, dragged, 'cancelled'. The girl's name is still trending on Twitter 4 days later for goodness sake.

It is nothing more than a witch-hunt now, the level of reaction far outweighs the original comments.

I'm not a particular fan of hers so am not defending her for that, I think what she said was stupid and naive, and she's an idiot to work with PLT anyway, but I'm absolutely sickened by the vitriol she's getting in return.

@Mummadeze

I haven’t seen her comments or the backlash. But I actually don’t agree with a lot of what’s being said on here. A lot of young women go on reality shows but very few end up with a huge career like she has. She has been blessed with good looks but I think she has worked very hard since Love Island and has shown a lot of business acumen. I personally like her and I think good on her for making the most of her brief appearance on TV.

This is what she was referring to if you listen to the full interview. It's something along the lines of everyone (who went on the show) having the same 24 hrs but she worked her ass off to get where she's got to (implying that others who have been on LI both before & after her haven't achieved her level of success & that's on them, not her).

Also, I'm pretty sure that she didn't have sex on LI (for those saying she had sex on TV) although I could be mis-remembering that.

I agree with you Op - if she were male, no one would have an issue with what she said (& might even take the full interview in context rather than the snippet she's being vilified for).

Imagine putting Tupac and molly
M in tge same sentence. What she said is stupid. She talks about waking up at 12pm and not doing much when people who work fir her are running around getting her ready. She then compares her time to Beyoncé - who spent almost a year rehearsing for just one show until its perfect. We may all have tge same 24hs but without those doing the jobs she hates society would not exist.

*Giles Coren is a creepy journalist who made sexual comments about his 3 year old daughter, never seen that mentioned anywhere other than on Mumsnet. The was no national uproar.

Molly Mae makes a throwaway comment and the world implodes.*

Don't take this the way it may sound but in the Venn diagram of people who before this week knew who Molly Mae is as well as Giles Coren there's quite a slim middle section. I knew of Giles Coren already. He's a total dick and I loathe him. But many people who read the Daily Mail showbiz page wouldn't have the first clue. There was a lot of anger towards him on Twitter at the time.

Anyway OP. You've had lots of responses here from women (in the main I assume) giving you credible reasons for finding M-M's statement worthy of criticism which are irrelevant to the fact she's a woman. Has that caused you to reflect on whether the wider public response is as misogynistic as you first thought?

@rrhuth

You can't compare sports to influencing in terms of work input.

This.

Surely that's obvious OP?

@Simonjt

Shes getting shit because despite doing zero work herself beyond posing in swimwear, she is blaming people she chose to underpay for being underpaid, funny she isn’t working 12 hour shifts like the people in her factory.

👏👏

I really don't agree with the way she made her points, but I actually think she's getting shit purely because of bad timing, other people have said similar and havnt got the same amount of backlash, I think it's a timing thing, covid has changed a lot of people and their outlooks and people are fed up of being told to work hard by celebrities who have no idea what real life is. I think had this podcast come out 3 years ago, the backlash wouldn't be quite the same. People have been left very depressed and angry after covid, and this is what happens when people are pissed off.

Be kind should be replaced with take responsibility for your actions.
Including Caroline Flack, SM didn't make her commit suicide she was mentally fragile for years even with MH issues we have to take responsibility for our shit we place on another person.

The fundamental tenet of 'Influencing' is 'do what I do, wear what I wear, buy what I buy and your life will be like mine'.

It is this concept which people have sucked up and made Molly Mae so successful, and her comments on that podcast are only really an extension of that concept.

The sooner 'Influencing' dies a death, the better.

I do think a lot of people thoroughly enjoy sticking the boot in though, it's sick really.

Also, I'm pretty sure that she didn't have sex on LI (for those saying she had sex on TV) although I could be mis-remembering that.

She said she did. Which in terms of fame has the same effect.

She isn’t trending on Twitter

37k tweets are about Boris Johnson
The FA Cup and football is 22k tweets

For comparison: Mollie Mae is 590 tweets

Maura's support came with a sly dig.

I think she's partly getting shit because she was repeating something she has said before so clearly stands by it, and the 'apology' came from her representative or spokesperson, not her.

[quote BlisterConcern]@Amichelle84.

Why didn’t Tyson Fury (yes I know her boyfriend is Tommy Fury and a different person) get crucified then when saying a famous quote of his “Anything is possible with the right mindset?”, “ “Foolish people follow the system, get caught up in media news, what the government wants you to believe and all the higher powers want you to believe and go down the same path as all the sheep in the cattle market” and “ If you want something that is very hard to get, you’ve got to sacrifice and dedicate and keep pushing no matter what, and never let anybody tell you you can’t. Because tonight, again, time and time again, I show you that it is very possible to achieve anything you ever want as long as you believe it in here”

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I think the difference between this quote and Molly Mae is that everybody can see that Tyson Fury has worked hard and dedicated his life to boxing. He has sacrificed and worked hard.

I think people are upset with what Molly Mae has said is that she implied that poor people just didn’t work as hard as her, when realistically she got where she is because she is pretty and went on reality TV. It didn’t take any skill, it didn’t take years of sacrifice.

I can’t say I’m particularly bothered by what she said, but I can see why people who look up to her are upset.

Well she was on love Island quite a few years ago now, I'd assume she has to work at staying relievent. After all there are plenty of other good looking young women out there .

As for hard work, who knows.

In what context did Tyson Fury say that?

He's not exactly my cup of tea, but if it was about his struggles with depression that's rather different to a a trite platitude