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To think Molly Mae is getting shit because she’s a woman?

281 replies

BlisterConcern · 09/01/2022 06:35

Yes, the comments are ignorant and naive. But I think people are going way too far with the abuse. I’ve seen many posts on social media (mainly from men) complaining about her comments and they have intentionally tagged really unflattering photos of her (like midway through talking) to the post where they go on like she’s the devil incarnate.

Many, many male celebrities have preached the same stuff. I have teen DD’s and DSD’s who all have male celebrities they are fans of and I’ve heard of these celebrities saying the same stuff. That if you work hard and “hustle” you will succeed.

There’s also lots of self-help Instagram accounts that preach the same stuff. These accounts are popular with young lads and are ran by men and seem to be aimed at men. Often they focus on cars and how you can have your dream car just like the guy behind the account if you follow his advice, buy his breathing technique course and work hard bla bla bla. These people don’t seem to get crucified the way Molly Mae has done.

Also a lot of male rappers who are popular these days such as Aitch make it their whole brand to show off about how they are successful because they took a chance and work hard bla bla bla. Aitch is a rapper from a very rough area of Manchester who got a lucky break. Molly Mae is more middle class but she went to a comp school and wasn’t outrageously wealthy. She just wasn’t on the breadline, why should she apologise for that? One of Aitch’s song lyrics is “I’ve got your boyfriend’s monthly wage in my jeans.” (DD loves the song). Nobody has ever come after him for that.

It seems to me that:

A man from a non-celeb average background gets a lucky break and becomes famous and rich and tries to inspire his fans to work hard and do the same = amazing and down to earth and inspiring

A woman from a non-celeb average background gets a lucky break and becomes rich and famous and tries to inspire her fans to work hard and do the same = a silly thick little cow who is only good for her looks and should keep her mouth shut and know her place.

I honestly believe if her boyfriend had made the same comments nobody would have batted an eyelid.

OP posts:
Frankola · 09/01/2022 12:56

The fact that you compare the talent and work ethics of a pretty white woman who came from exceptional privilege and a rich upbringing to young black men brought up in poverty, surrounded by guns and drugs just shows that Molly Mae's fans are as naive and daft as she is.

And in your case you're slightly racist.

Kennykenkencat · 09/01/2022 13:00

She is getting shit because there is little awareness that we don’t all have 24 hours in a day to just concentrate on working our arses off to make money. We have other people in our lives who need for us to help and consider so that we can’t take work that might pay better if we can’t get back by a certain time or is too far away or even take any work because childcare would be more than we earn.
Or even if someone did work their arse off in their job they wouldn’t get paid any more.

Atm she has no responsibility but to herself and family who support her
She doesn’t comprehend that other people don’t have that luxury.

I actually think it is almost veering onto disabilism.

I certainly don’t think she appreciates that having a stable childhood with a stable income, parents with no mental illness, addiction or disability and having no SEN herself is like winning the jackpot

Cornisharchitect · 09/01/2022 14:28

@Frankola

The fact that you compare the talent and work ethics of a pretty white woman who came from exceptional privilege and a rich upbringing to young black men brought up in poverty, surrounded by guns and drugs just shows that Molly Mae's fans are as naive and daft as she is.

And in your case you're slightly racist.

Agreed 100%
GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 09/01/2022 14:41

I often see sexism our society (because it is very sexist) but I don’t think this particular situation can be put down to sexism.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 09/01/2022 14:45

No one has begrudged her her good fortune, but she should accept that much of it is due to good fortune, or at the very least not say anything about it. People who are very well off shouldn’t try to justify themselves by suggesting it’s just because they “worked harder “.

I’ve always worked really hard - straight back to work after babies etc. I don’t have a huge amount of money (although not poor). If I won the lottery tomorrow, I’d still have worked really hard all my life, but it wouldn’t be the reason I got rich. I would be luck! I wouldn’t deserve it more than the billions of other people who work just as hard.

Quackpot · 09/01/2022 14:57

There is no such thing as slightly racist. Your either racist or not racist.

MulticatHouse · 09/01/2022 17:08

I must live under a rock cos I've never heard of her. Had to Google.

MrsAntonioConte · 09/01/2022 17:37

@MulticatHouse

I must live under a rock cos I've never heard of her. Had to Google.
Like most of us Wink
KitBumbleB · 09/01/2022 18:58

Why does it always come back to being a nurse in the NHS? You cant say you work hard in any job without being told you dont work as hard as an NHS nurse...its almost cult like...

Mollie Mae has obviously said something daft and tone deaf, but who didnt at 21/21? I know I did, I just had the good luck to be filmed at the time (or maybe I didnt work hard enough to warrant being filmed??)

Being an influencer or famous must be hard work, maybe not in the traditional blood, sweat, and tears sense but not many jobs are these days. We talk about cyber bullying etc, imagine knowing that at any point of the day, any point at all, someone, somewhere is writing nasty things about you online and others are agreeing, that must take mental strength to withstand that. Its a different kind of hard work but its valid.

What's the saying, the devil works hard bit Kris Jenner works harder

Also, can someone please link to PLT factory in the UK paying its workers £3.50 p/h, that is highly illegal and I would be surprised if it was true.

KitBumbleB · 09/01/2022 19:10

Bloody hell it is true!

Absolutely awful, the owners of that factory are disgusting. However, is it Mollie Mae's personal responsibility? The government knew about it in 2017 and did nothing, surely its up to the law in the UK, not Mollie Mae?
Jennifer Lopez also models for them, should we personally blame her as well?

That factory also makes clothes for BooHoo, Coast and Karen Millen, as well as Oasis and Warehouse. Should we boycott them also?

bcc89 · 09/01/2022 19:15

@KitBumbleB

Bloody hell it is true!

Absolutely awful, the owners of that factory are disgusting. However, is it Mollie Mae's personal responsibility? The government knew about it in 2017 and did nothing, surely its up to the law in the UK, not Mollie Mae?
Jennifer Lopez also models for them, should we personally blame her as well?

That factory also makes clothes for BooHoo, Coast and Karen Millen, as well as Oasis and Warehouse. Should we boycott them also?

I'm not talking about boycotting or cancelling Molly Mae, this is just an example of people in her factory working their 24 hours in a day.

You'd think she would want people paid fairly within her own company, what on earth do you mean it's not her responsibility. Hmm

KitBumbleB · 09/01/2022 19:30

The government investigation took place in 2017, Mollie Mae was a teenager at the time, its clearly not her own doing.

People sneer at fast fashion and often don't realise middle range clothes such as Coast are made in the same factories.

I think with clever PR she can bounce back from this and hopefully help people. Maybe a Dispatches type programme where exposes sweat shops and campaigns for greater awareness

bcc89 · 09/01/2022 19:31

It's not her doing originally, but certainly she has zero awareness of what living in poverty is actually like, and now she directly contributes to their poverty.

JuergenSchwarzwald · 09/01/2022 19:32

I saw in the Times today that the guy who hosted the podcast had said she was getting flak because she was female.

Perhaps. But she is superannoying (as are most influencers) and seems incapable of complying with the law when she publishes posts that are clearly adverts, so no sympathy from me.

She needs to get a proper job.

JuergenSchwarzwald · 09/01/2022 19:33

@MulticatHouse

I must live under a rock cos I've never heard of her. Had to Google.
I've only heard of her because of the advertising law issue.
Pugroll · 09/01/2022 19:37

@KitBumbleB

The government investigation took place in 2017, Mollie Mae was a teenager at the time, its clearly not her own doing.

People sneer at fast fashion and often don't realise middle range clothes such as Coast are made in the same factories.

I think with clever PR she can bounce back from this and hopefully help people. Maybe a Dispatches type programme where exposes sweat shops and campaigns for greater awareness

No it's not her own doing, she's happy to pocket £££ from a company with such unethical practices though. The difference imo is the culture of fast fashion brands like PLT- . its not just that the clothes are crap quality with exploitation in the supply chain, but they push trends and rely on people wearing stuff once and then buying something else. Cheap clothing in itself isn't bad, for some it's all they can afford, it's the culture of ripping off other brands, creating stuff that doesn't last, and promoting on social media etc with these influencers for the latest 'must have' which is greedy and disgusting. By no means of course is this just her doing, but again she's more than happy to make money from it, and she would never do a dispatches like that as it would be the height of hypocrisy.
Againstmachine · 09/01/2022 19:38

Is there seriously a rapper called Aitch, like the op goes on about, that to me is what I would call a itchy arse.

LuckyMeISeeGhosts · 09/01/2022 19:40

@KitBumbleB

The government investigation took place in 2017, Mollie Mae was a teenager at the time, its clearly not her own doing.

People sneer at fast fashion and often don't realise middle range clothes such as Coast are made in the same factories.

I think with clever PR she can bounce back from this and hopefully help people. Maybe a Dispatches type programme where exposes sweat shops and campaigns for greater awareness

Maybe a Dispatches type programme where exposes sweat shops and campaigns for greater awareness

Dream on.

Againstmachine · 09/01/2022 19:42

The hilarious think is she and others of her I'll think her creative director role is an actual job she is on holiday most of time and I doubt she has much input at PLT

GenderCriticalTrumpets · 09/01/2022 19:52

She's getting so much shite because she is totally tone deaf and people who work actual hard jobs just to desperately try and make ends meet and have fuck all at the end of the month are offended by her suggestion that they don't work hard enough.

I have 3 jobs currently, and none of them are Creative Director at PLT where the people who produce the clothes I wear for free work for £3.5₩ an hour.

SilverGlitterBaubles · 09/01/2022 19:58

I disagree OP, male or female she is completely lacking in self awareness, humility, empathy and sounds like a spoiled princess. If anything she does women a disservice, particularly all those working their socks off encountering all sorts of barriers in life and the workplace while she thinks hard graft is looking good on fake tan and a skimpy bikini.

cherryonthecakes · 09/01/2022 20:12

I think that MM is getting shit for this long because she's a young attractive woman. A politician could say that and it would be forgotten 24 hours later.

What she said was insensitive and inappropriate. I don't know if her biggest critics are male/female , MM's age or older but I can totally understand why someone who works at minimum age would be furious. Imagine working in the PLT factory and hearing that!

MM is successful because of her looks and her "storyline" on LI. I know that she'd rather distance herself from LI but had she not met Tommy, she'd probably be one of the forgotten contestants because she wasn't an outspoken man eater. She had a big following on Instagram before LI and might know more than others about influencing, SM marketing and photo editing but the uncomfortable truth for her is that LI sent her career into the stratosphere and without it, she'd just be another pretty face on Insta. There is a tiny number of people who could replicate her success because she's been born with looks that are highly marketable.

LadyWithLapdog · 09/01/2022 20:24

@Sonex

I think she's getting shit because she's demonstrated very publicly how entitled, deluded and unpleasant her personality is.

For someone that has up to now relied on looks she has forgotten that you do at some point need a reasonable personality and attitude too.

Excellent 👍