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Molly Mae

339 replies

ivykaty44 · 07/01/2022 15:40

“that if you want something enough, you can achieve it”

“You’re given one life and it’s down to you what you do with it
. You can literally go in any direction. When I’ve spoken about that in the past I have been slammed a little bit, with people saying ‘it’s easy for you to say that because you’ve not grown up in poverty, so for you to sit there and say we all have the same 24 hours in a day is not correct.’ But, technically, what I’m saying is correct. We do.

“I understand we all have different backgrounds and we’re all raised in different ways and we do have different financial situations, but I think if you want something enough you can achieve it. It just depends on what lengths you want to go to get where you want to be in the future. And I’ll go to any length. I’ve worked my absolute arse off to get where I am now.”

Not someone id come across before, a reality star, who has said the above

is she being reasonable or not?

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Pumperthepumper · 07/01/2022 20:24

[quote DeliriaSkibbly]@Pumperthepumper

I can't do your thinking for you flower...[/quote]
I think you’re going to have to. I don’t understand your point, so if you want to have a conversation about it, you’re going to have to say what you mean.

Autismandgin · 07/01/2022 20:25

Is pumpkinpower actually Mollie Mae or one of her mates? There’s a level of “I don’t get it” ….. which is exactly why Mollie Mae is in this mess 😂

Pumperthepumper · 07/01/2022 20:26

@Autismandgin

Is pumpkinpower actually Mollie Mae or one of her mates? There’s a level of “I don’t get it” ….. which is exactly why Mollie Mae is in this mess 😂
No.

I understand that she said something stupid. I don’t understand why she deserves this level of grief and humiliation for it.

DeliriaSkibbly · 07/01/2022 20:26

I'm minded of the old internet adage: Don't feed the troll

Pumperthepumper · 07/01/2022 20:27

Although maybe you weren’t talking to me?

Autismandgin · 07/01/2022 20:27

@Pumperthepumper not punpkinpower Grin although that’s a good name change haha!!

Pumperthepumper · 07/01/2022 20:27

@DeliriaSkibbly

I'm minded of the old internet adage: Don't feed the troll
You’re being a bit of a coward here. You tagged me in your comment, if you want a conversation then say what you mean.
Pumperthepumper · 07/01/2022 20:28

[quote Autismandgin]@Pumperthepumper not punpkinpower Grin although that’s a good name change haha!![/quote]
So you did mean me?

DeliriaSkibbly · 07/01/2022 20:30

Now someone who doesn't advocate personal attacks is making them.

Today's word of the day is HYPOCRITE

Pumperthepumper · 07/01/2022 20:31

@DeliriaSkibbly

Now someone who doesn't advocate personal attacks is making them.

Today's word of the day is HYPOCRITE

You just called me a troll. Do you want to have that conversation or not?
Againstmachine · 07/01/2022 20:34

So?

You worry about Molly's mental health but don't about her followers. Really.

Pumperthepumper · 07/01/2022 20:35

@Againstmachine

So?

You worry about Molly's mental health but don't about her followers. Really.

Can you answer why her comments would make any difference to the mental health of her followers?
Againstmachine · 07/01/2022 20:38

Someone has pointed it out that her followers might think they aren't working hard enough and decide to give up.

But you are so invested Molly Mae's health that no one else matters.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 07/01/2022 20:42

@Pumperthepumper

Because if you're the same age as her, in a minimum wage job you hate but have for example no other work experience, no qualifications or additional things to consider such as caring duties or disabilities, and you hear her effectively say that she's a millionaire because she's worked harder than you, it would probably make you feel pretty shit. As if you've under achieved / aren't working hard enough / are failing when for some people the odds are stacked against them and they need to survive on a minimum wage job for example.

I'm unsure why you can't see that? It only takes a little empathy for the young people who follow her and are very impressionable.

Pumperthepumper · 07/01/2022 20:43

@Againstmachine

Someone has pointed it out that her followers might think they aren't working hard enough and decide to give up.

But you are so invested Molly Mae's health that no one else matters.

Why would they? If they look up to her, why would her saying ‘work harder’ make them give up?
Pumperthepumper · 07/01/2022 20:45

[quote youvegottenminuteslynn]@Pumperthepumper

Because if you're the same age as her, in a minimum wage job you hate but have for example no other work experience, no qualifications or additional things to consider such as caring duties or disabilities, and you hear her effectively say that she's a millionaire because she's worked harder than you, it would probably make you feel pretty shit. As if you've under achieved / aren't working hard enough / are failing when for some people the odds are stacked against them and they need to survive on a minimum wage job for example.

I'm unsure why you can't see that? It only takes a little empathy for the young people who follow her and are very impressionable. [/quote]
See above. Someone who looks up to MM wouldn’t be put off by her saying ‘work harder’. They might be put off it she said ‘people who aren’t as rich as me are thick as pig shit’ but she didn’t say that.

So it seems a bit of a leap to equate that with grown men mocking her on national radio, trending on Twitter and being the subject of ridicule on popular parenting forums.

ldontWanna · 07/01/2022 20:48

@Pumperthepumper

Well let's use Jessie as an example. Jessie 's father died when she was a baby. At 8 yo she was told by another child that the guy she thought was her father , isn't and instead it's some random bloke down the estate. Mum is now shacked up with the local drug dealer. Jessie witnesses all sort of things from drug usage, to prostitution, to DV and abuse, to fights between users and the dealer, is often woken up by the police banging down the door. Jessie is in the middle of it all and sometimes bears the brunt of it all. SS get involved and Jessie is old enough to realise that the abusive man shouldn't be there , but he is. Old enough to realise that mum is putting him first. Old enough to realise that her mum doesn't care if herself and her younger sibling will be removed. Jessie isn't doing too well in school, she hates it, she hates the teachers who called SS, she hates her mum but loves her too and wants to stay, she hates the man, but most of all she hates herself for talking and telling and "starting" all this. By the time she's 10 Jessie goes into foster care, she's separated from her brother, contact inexistent with her mother. She lost two years of schooling really. She's angry,hurt and traumatised and the placement isn't working out. Her new school isn't working out either. She's too scared ,distrustful and angry now to "talk" even when people want to help her. And on and on it goes. She barely scrapes a few GCSE's , she's sofa surfing and ends up raped by a "well meaning" 30 yo "friend".
She's 22 now, with PTSD , still struggling with trauma,abandonment issues, low self esteem and thinking she's worthless and unlovable. She's kinda made it, still alive, job in a shop ,living in a shitty room in a shitty,mouldy,cold shared house. But you know, she's still here,she's trying.

You don't see how hearing someone she admires, follows for a bit of escapism, someone she looks up to saying "you just didn't want it hard enough ,didn't fight enough and didn't work hard enough" and that's you're not where I am , everyone can do it might affect her mental health? Her self esteem and sense of self worth?

Jessie doesn't have a network of support, a loving family , the money or millions of supporters defending her reputation and worth.

Pumperthepumper · 07/01/2022 20:51

[quote ldontWanna]@Pumperthepumper

Well let's use Jessie as an example. Jessie 's father died when she was a baby. At 8 yo she was told by another child that the guy she thought was her father , isn't and instead it's some random bloke down the estate. Mum is now shacked up with the local drug dealer. Jessie witnesses all sort of things from drug usage, to prostitution, to DV and abuse, to fights between users and the dealer, is often woken up by the police banging down the door. Jessie is in the middle of it all and sometimes bears the brunt of it all. SS get involved and Jessie is old enough to realise that the abusive man shouldn't be there , but he is. Old enough to realise that mum is putting him first. Old enough to realise that her mum doesn't care if herself and her younger sibling will be removed. Jessie isn't doing too well in school, she hates it, she hates the teachers who called SS, she hates her mum but loves her too and wants to stay, she hates the man, but most of all she hates herself for talking and telling and "starting" all this. By the time she's 10 Jessie goes into foster care, she's separated from her brother, contact inexistent with her mother. She lost two years of schooling really. She's angry,hurt and traumatised and the placement isn't working out. Her new school isn't working out either. She's too scared ,distrustful and angry now to "talk" even when people want to help her. And on and on it goes. She barely scrapes a few GCSE's , she's sofa surfing and ends up raped by a "well meaning" 30 yo "friend".
She's 22 now, with PTSD , still struggling with trauma,abandonment issues, low self esteem and thinking she's worthless and unlovable. She's kinda made it, still alive, job in a shop ,living in a shitty room in a shitty,mouldy,cold shared house. But you know, she's still here,she's trying.

You don't see how hearing someone she admires, follows for a bit of escapism, someone she looks up to saying "you just didn't want it hard enough ,didn't fight enough and didn't work hard enough" and that's you're not where I am , everyone can do it might affect her mental health? Her self esteem and sense of self worth?

Jessie doesn't have a network of support, a loving family , the money or millions of supporters defending her reputation and worth.[/quote]
Just so we’re clear: MM was wrong to say ‘work harder’. It’s a stupid comment to make.

But she still doesn’t deserve this level of humiliation.

And I don’t see that Jesse (above) might feel suicidal by MM’s comments. I mean, she might - but I think the level of attention MM has had today would test even the strongest person. And I think it’s unnecessary and disproportionate.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 07/01/2022 20:51

Ok @Pumperthepumper, you crack on.

You keep asking people to explain things then don't really take the time to think about the answers.

It's not about making people 'give up' it's about understanding that some people don't have the opportunity to chase their dreams or the ability to 'work hard and you can do anything'. They're trite phrases that can feel pretty shit for people for whom they aren't true.

I've been lucky in a number of ways and appreciate that luck. I went to a good school and happened to love learning. My parents were supportive of me learning in that they encouraged me with homework etc. If I had said to a fellow teenager on GCSE results day "we both have 24 hours a day and I was willing to do whatever it took to get my grades" then it would feel crap if that other teenager didn't go to a good school, didn't have an aptitude for academics and didn't have supportive parents.

Hopefully that makes more sense.

Pumperthepumper · 07/01/2022 20:56

@youvegottenminuteslynn

Ok *@Pumperthepumper*, you crack on.

You keep asking people to explain things then don't really take the time to think about the answers.

It's not about making people 'give up' it's about understanding that some people don't have the opportunity to chase their dreams or the ability to 'work hard and you can do anything'. They're trite phrases that can feel pretty shit for people for whom they aren't true.

I've been lucky in a number of ways and appreciate that luck. I went to a good school and happened to love learning. My parents were supportive of me learning in that they encouraged me with homework etc. If I had said to a fellow teenager on GCSE results day "we both have 24 hours a day and I was willing to do whatever it took to get my grades" then it would feel crap if that other teenager didn't go to a good school, didn't have an aptitude for academics and didn't have supportive parents.

Hopefully that makes more sense.

It doesn’t really, no. Because it seems like a way to justify a pile-on to Molly Mae for some stupid, uniformed comment she made on a podcast, as if she deserves this kind of humiliation. You might think she does deserve it. I don’t.
MadeinSW3 · 07/01/2022 20:57

She is a complete idiot. So offensive. No substance just obsessed with material designer possessions.

Before love island was an instagrammer with a large following. Petite and blonde.

Came out of the show with a boyfriend. It’s not the same 24hrs Hun when you have natural advantages and over night fame.

Her issue about not wanting to be related to love island shows her arrogance. Feels that she’s better than it/ everyone else from there.

ldontWanna · 07/01/2022 20:58

And I don’t see that Jesse (above) might feel suicidal by MM’s comments. I mean, she might - but I think the level of attention MM has had today would test even the strongest person. And I think it’s unnecessary and disproportionate.

She might and she did, over a different stupid comment from a different stupid sleb but hey ho.

I find it very telling that even when you're being "kind" enough to accept(as if it's up to you)that Jessie MIGHT have an issue due to it, your main priority and concern is still MMH.

Againstmachine · 07/01/2022 21:00

Why would they? If they look up to her, why would her saying ‘work harder’ make them give up?

Oh jesus stop being so idiotic, ok so why. Would Molly mae be offended and feeling sucidal by remarks on her twitter ect.

ldontWanna · 07/01/2022 21:00

It doesn’t really, no. Because it seems like a way to justify a pile-on to Molly Mae for some stupid, uniformed comment she made on a podcast, as if she deserves this kind of humiliation. You might think she does deserve it. I don’t.

Well if she wants it hard enough and works hard enough ,she'll just get over it won't she? After all that's how the world(her world?!?) works.

Pumperthepumper · 07/01/2022 21:01

@ldontWanna

And I don’t see that Jesse (above) might feel suicidal by MM’s comments. I mean, she might - but I think the level of attention MM has had today would test even the strongest person. And I think it’s unnecessary and disproportionate.

She might and she did, over a different stupid comment from a different stupid sleb but hey ho.

I find it very telling that even when you're being "kind" enough to accept(as if it's up to you)that Jessie MIGHT have an issue due to it, your main priority and concern is still MMH.

Fictional Jessie in the situation you invented?

Yes, an actual person who is the subject of this thread is more important to me than the feelings of an invented person who may or may not feel suicidal at one person on the internet saying people should work harder. I’m absolutely amazed you don’t feel the same, actually.

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