Molly Mae

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“that if you want something enough, you can achieve it”

“You’re given one life and it’s down to you what you do with it
. You can literally go in any direction. When I’ve spoken about that in the past I have been slammed a little bit, with people saying ‘it’s easy for you to say that because you’ve not grown up in poverty, so for you to sit there and say we all have the same 24 hours in a day is not correct.’ But, technically, what I’m saying is correct. We do.

“I understand we all have different backgrounds and we’re all raised in different ways and we do have different financial situations, but I think if you want something enough you can achieve it. It just depends on what lengths you want to go to get where you want to be in the future. And I’ll go to any length. I’ve worked my absolute arse off to get where I am now.”

Not someone id come across before, a reality star, who has said the above

is she being reasonable or not?

@Pumperthepumper

Of course she’s wrong.

But the pile on her has been really horrible to watch. She’s 22 and she said something stupid, but she doesn’t deserve this endless grief. It’s actually disgusting how desperate people are to stick the boot in.

Yep. She’s young and said something a bit naive. Yes speak out and explain that she might be underestimating the barriers that some people face, but there’s no need for the such outright nastiness.

I’m sure we all said stupid things at that age, but to give MM her due she has seized the opportunities presented to her with both hands. She has a good idea about success and hard work so I think it’s coming from a good place, she’s just presenting a very simplistic view.

‘user014572

People sneering at her "privilege" or ignorance of how the world works should reflect on their own privilege and naive nonsense that they have likely spouted when younger before they criticise others.‘

She’s 22 not 15. I was very well aware of the world at that point and my place in it.

Completely ignorant and tone deaf, she's completely shown herself up.

Unfortunately we do not all have the same potential, she must have grown up in a bubble if she thinks we can all achieve what we want through determination.

@user014572

People sneering at her "privilege" or ignorance of how the world works should reflect on their own privilege and naive nonsense that they have likely spouted when younger before they criticise others.

What a weird thing to say. Whether a criticism is valid has nothing to do with the background of the people making it. Molly Mae, by her own admission, had some form of privilege and she lacks the self-awareness to see how that hinders her ability to understand how much poverty limits your opportunities.

I grew up in a poor household in the north of England after major industries were shut down during the 80's and loads of people lost their jobs. I was lucky that my family didn't need me to work full-time at 16 and I could stay at college for my A-levels and then on to a degree. I had friends who weren't so lucky and had to leave education to make ends meet, despite having intelligence and capability.

The idea that people can just pull themselves out of poverty and disadvantage to achieve anything they want by their own efforts alone is utter nonsense. For every "success" story there are many more stuck there despite their best efforts.

You can do much if it is the only thing you want to do, you have to be determined. ie What you really really want. Two examples.
A woman (cant remember her name) who as a child/teenager was living on the streets of New York with her drug addict Mother. Girl cared for Mother who would have been written off as a waste of space. Teenager studied and went to uni. Developed a career.
Erin Brockovitch, She was ordinary working class single mother got herself a clerical job and did not take No for an answer. Achieved an incredible settlement for many in that community poisoned by Pacific Power.
Both those women achieved a great deal more than I ever will.

@BalladOfBarryAndFreda .......A mix of Thatcherite-era ‘bootstraps’ bollocks

Thatcher was the daughter of a grocery shop owner. She gained a place at Oxford. Graduated in Chemistrty and read for the bar in her spare time while working as a Research Chemist. From 1954 she practiced as a barrister ( how many female barristers do you think there were in 1954 ?) .

She was the first woman leader of any major political party in this country and the first woman Prime Minister. She won two elections by a landslide and was the longest-serving British prime minister of the 20th century. She had the drive and energy to take-on the Unions after the Winter of Discontent. Showed the backbone to direct and win a war and was a pivitol figure on the world stage with both Reagan and Gorbachev. She also campaigned to keep Somerville College all female and opposed privatizing both Water and BR.

If all that is just bollocks them WTF have you done with your life or have I missed you on the Andrew Marr show or on the Downing Street rostrum ?.

[quote DeliriaSkibbly]@babeB

Your ignorance about 'free education and healthcare' just displays your own ignorance. (is that you Molly Mae, I wonder ?)

It's not free. It is paid for through taxation. It is mainly free at point of use, but that is by no means the same thing.[/quote]
'Your ignorance about 'free education and healthcare' ...

Yep!

Same kind of ludicrously fuckwitty comment as 'council housing is free.'

I think she's worked clever, rather than worked hard. Yes obviously with all the privilege that came from a solid, well off family background and with looks etc to give her a huge step up. But she was never hugely popular on Love Island, she reached the final two because people liked her boyfriend Tommy, not her. And yes she will have had loads of opportunities thrown at her after the show, but so have many others who haven't managed to spin that into a (a quick search says) 6.3mill instagram following and a million pound job with PLT. Amber, who won that series and was hugely popular herself has 'just' 2.6mill followers, Maura who was equally popular has 3.3mill.
You don't have to be a fan of what she does to see that she's been pretty savvy at spinning opportinuties beyond the usual life cycle of a reality show contributor.

And from her current place in life she probably does think it's because she worked hard and doesn't yet have a wide enough world view to see that it's not that simple. But it can be true that she's worked hard at what she does AND that working hard alone isn't enough, at the same time.

@user014572

People sneering at her "privilege" or ignorance of how the world works should reflect on their own privilege and naive nonsense that they have likely spouted when younger before they criticise others.

Hi Molly-Mae waves ...

@PeaceONoeuf

‘user014572

People sneering at her "privilege" or ignorance of how the world works should reflect on their own privilege and naive nonsense that they have likely spouted when younger before they criticise others.‘

She’s 22 not 15. I was very well aware of the world at that point and my place in it.

Really? You never once said anything stupid? Or never made a statement you later changed your mind on? That’s incredible. I’m a completely different person now than I was when I was 22.

All this Molly Mae bollox puts me in mind of the Kylie Jenner lass Labelled as the 'youngest self-made BILLIONAIRE!' LMFAO. Is she fuck!!! She came from wealth, fame, and privilege.

It's like Sarah Ferguson who wrote Budgie the little helicopter. (It was OK, but anyone could have written these stories,) and E L James with her grim, '50 shades of shite' books. These two came from privilege and had serious contacts in the industry. They did not do it alone, and it was not down to their 'hard work' or extreme talent.

[quote Pyewhacket]**@BalladOfBarryAndFreda .......A mix of Thatcherite-era ‘bootstraps’ bollocks

Thatcher was the daughter of a grocery shop owner. She gained a place at Oxford. Graduated in Chemistrty and read for the bar in her spare time while working as a Research Chemist. From 1954 she practiced as a barrister ( how many female barristers do you think there were in 1954 ?) .

She was the first woman leader of any major political party in this country and the first woman Prime Minister. She won two elections by a landslide and was the longest-serving British prime minister of the 20th century. She had the drive and energy to take-on the Unions after the Winter of Discontent. Showed the backbone to direct and win a war and was a pivitol figure on the world stage with both Reagan and Gorbachev. She also campaigned to keep Somerville College all female and opposed privatizing both Water and BR.

If all that is just bollocks them WTF have you done with your life or have I missed you on the Andrew Marr show or on the Downing Street rostrum ?.[/quote]
Thatcher was resolutely middle class. Much is made of her father being a "humble shopkeeper" but they neglect to mention that he was also and alderman and mayor of Grantham as well as a local magistrate. If he was described as a "local businessman and politician" it doesn't quite sound so humble.

This is a far cry from someone born in genuine poverty in an inner city estate for example.

People are complaining about the pile on, ,however she has built her career on social media so you have to take the rough with the smooth, she's happy to accept paid internet posts so it's a consequence of the career she has chosen.

@Againstmachine

People are complaining about the pile on, ,however she has built her career on social media so you have to take the rough with the smooth, she's happy to accept paid internet posts so it's a consequence of the career she has chosen.

What, being bullied endlessly by grown adults?

But it can be true that she's worked hard at what she does AND that working hard alone isn't enough, at the same time.

That's the thing though. I'm not going to comment on whether an influencer is hard work or a proper job because I've got no idea what time/effort/skills are involved, but her quote is essentially if you want something bad enough and work hard you can have it.
I'm willing to accept she's maybe worked harder or savvier than some of the others in the same position (as in Love Island) but she's not acknowledged any of the other advantages that got her to a "launch platform" in the first place. If she was not young, white, pretty, slim and able bodied, her chances of being on Love Island at all , would have been much lower.

And although people are criticising a "pile on" in response to her comments. Being a popular and well known influencer means that lots of people are going to notice what she says (surely that's the point?)....but that not everyone is going to agree....

I agree that Maggie Thatcher was middle class, but she still did brilliantly to get to where she did. Still not a fan of hers and everything she did though, (and the effect Thatcherism has had on the UK...) But no-one can deny that she broke through the glass ceiling spectacularly, and was a very high achiever.

Even now, love her or loathe her, she still gets talked about - a lot - and she is loved by many (and loathed by many too!) She is never ignored or forgotten though.

@Pumperthepumper

So are you saying that when she spouts bollocks she shouldn't be picked up on it ? This is not being bullied - she's simply reaping what she has sown.

Being a social media effluenter is not of any consequence and achieves nothing of real use in her case (with a nod to the person who found the hair curlers up above somewhere). I'd contrast her with Marcus Rashford who tries to do something useful and worthwhile with his fame.

She is also a grown adult who has chosen social media as her platform.

She did so in the knowledge that the thousands who read it can turn on a sixpence - she’ll have seen it happen to others - and no, she doesn’t deserve a pile on but she does need to think about what she puts out there.

Social media is the modern day example of ‘live by the sword, die by the sword’.

I think there's a balance here. She is correct to some extent of what she is saying. Many, many people moan about their situation and blame others, make excuses and it is due to their laziness or lack or good decisions that mean they end up worse off than they expected in life so she is correct to an extent.

She is not fair though to generalise to this extent because as some people pointed out having access to education is not possible for some people and there are many circumstantial things that prevent someone achieving same as the next person.

I'm torn on this.

What, being bullied endlessly by grown adults?

Firstly, she's a grown adult herself. Secondly, people challenging her statements does not equal bullying.

@MiloAndEddie

I think she’s unreasonable and tone deaf.

Yes we’ve all got 24 hours in a day but she’s not juggling kids/caring responsibilities/an actual 9-5 job that you have to do to keep a roof over your head etc etc.

I think she’s bloody cheeky

That's the thing though, she isn't juggling those things because of the choices and hard work she has put in to carve out a different life for herself.

It didn't just fall into her lap did it? Which I think many people believe happens to successful people - yes that's the case in many cases but also many people are self starters/self made.

‘’Pumperthepumper

PeaceONoeuf
‘user014572

People sneering at her "privilege" or ignorance of how the world works should reflect on their own privilege and naive nonsense that they have likely spouted when younger before they criticise others.‘

She’s 22 not 15. I was very well aware of the world at that point and my place in it.
Really? You never once said anything stupid? Or never made a statement you later changed your mind on? That’s incredible. I’m a completely different person now than I was when I was 22.‘’

I’ve always understand about privilege and deprivation. Sorry it took you longer.

What, being bullied endlessly by grown adults?

She isn't being bullied she is being told she is incorrect.

Also she is meant to be a savvy Influencer who should know what social media is like, it'd her choices to use it as a marketing tool. You have to take rough with smooth.

She's lost 20k followers over the last few days apparently,

how many did she have? what sort of % is that ?

It's an immature naïve outlook on life. She has no clue that some people face barriers, discrimination, poverty, abuse. Of course those people will struggle to achieve not to mention neuro diverse people and disabled people who are expected to achieve within a society not design for them. An arrogant pretty white woman who hasn't bothered to look beyond her own success story.