SIL gone to panto when waiting for PCR result - oh yes she did!

[anotherannoyngSIL]

Name changed as I’ve been slated on here before for not allowing my SIL to do as she pleases.

Today I thought we’d made a positive turn as she has taken my older son and hers to the pantomime as I’ve got a broken leg (though she has made a big thing about helping out).

Unfortunately she’s just text me to say “BTW I’ve had a positive lateral and waiting on my PCR but decided to take the boys anyway as xxx (her son) was looking forward to it, I’m sure that’s fine”.

In which universe is that fine?? She’s risking not just my son, but the others she’s gone with and the whole audience!! She is very jealous if people do social things without her but surely there comes a time when sense is more important than FOMO?? I’m assuming she waited till she was there to tell me so I couldn’t do anything.

Husband says I’m being unreasonable for being annoyed as the rules aren’t clear cut and she hasn’t had the PCR test back.

AIBU for wanting to ban her as she’s so irresponsible and only really cares about herself?

Read that 90% of people in ICU are not fully vaccinated. That means 10% are but I’m sure they aren’t too worried as it’s apparently just a mild head cold.

Half of the children in the UK have now had Covid according to Chris Witty in Sept this year.

3.78 million/2 = 1.79million.
14% of 1.79million = 250,600

A quarter of a million children in the UK have long Covid. That’s not scaremongering.

Whoops! Bad maths!

Should be 14% of 1.89million.

So 264,600 UK kids have long Covid.

@CalishataFolkart

Half of the children in the UK have now had Covid according to Chris Witty in Sept this year.

3.78 million/2 = 1.79million.
14% of 1.79million = 250,600

A quarter of a million children in the UK have long Covid. That’s not scaremongering.

They might do, and if that were the case I'd agree it's not good. But did you read the three caveats in that study?

It's good if people take a wider, more balanced view, rather than grabbing the headline and spinning it into the worst case scenario they can.

@calishatafolkart

Well yes i thought that was pretty obv. To be honest, but i see now i didnt actually write 14% of children that have had covid has long covid.
I guess i thought it was obv as if they havent yet had covid they would be included in data.
But i can see how it came across that way

@humdingle

If you dont agree with the UCL assessment of the situation i suggest you take it up with them.
Even if the 14% is the highest level expectation and it was closer to 7% its still a hell of alot of children with long covid.

Sorry if my post sounded like i was staing 14 % of all children suffer long covid weather they have caught covid or not but i honestly thought people would realise that it would be 14% of children who had contracted covid were suffering long covid. It didnt even occur to me that it would need explaining tbh as it seemed pretty obv but i will ne sure to make sure i am more specific next time.

Mind you as everyone kerps sating everyone will get covid we could well be at 10% plus of children suffering long covid in the next 12months

Of course I didn’t read the whole thing properly, I’m totally guilty of that and a bit of a tit.

But one of the caveats is people of that age often feel tired anyway. It then goes on to say that a high number reported feeling sad or worried which has been quoted earlier in this thread as evidence that young people are being mentally harmed by restrictions. It could be argued that people of that age often feel sad or worried anyway.

We can all spin stats and data to fit our own narrative and, as I say, I am as guilty of that as anyone. But until the scientists who have no agenda say it’s all fine and just a head cold I will continue to be miffed at people who willingly put others at risk thereby prolonging the crappy situation we’re all in.

@NameChanged15729

BonnesVacances no that is not my position. I have stated a few times now that my household had Covid early December and we all isolated. All double/triple vaxxed apart from the children because they are too young. They will be when allowed though. We wear masks and do what we can to stop the spread.

What I’m asking is where does it end? You don’t want restrictions forever but how much longer? What needs to change for life to carry on? Personally it feels like the majority of people have followed the rules but if anything things seem to be going backwards. I’m in Wales. Nightclubs are closed, the rule of six is back, queuing and one way systems are back in supermarkets. I’m now living in fear that my children’s school will close next. It’s easy to say restrictions won’t last forever but there needs to be a plan in place to get us out of them now because following the rules doesn’t seem to be working!

Personally, I feel the restrictions we have in England are enough. But understand you are in Wales, so different.

Where does it end? My assumption is this virus will continue to become milder. Currently, based on our experience it is still a really nasty illness and is affecting DC worse than last time. It will lead to lots of missed work/school so I don't think we are there yet where we don't actively try to stop the spread. Our DC have missed out on so much - I don't want to see them miss out on more due to catching Covid.

Oh and by the way my DS has ASD (as do I) - when younger I would never tell him we were doing anything until I absolutely knew we were - saves upset. Things get changed or cancelled for all sorts of reasons not just Covid and managing that is part of living with ASD.

[quote FriendshipsAreHardForMe]**@BonnesVacances* but most people recover from long Covid. For most* people it's a temporary thing.

What about people still waiting for cancer treatments, for eye surgeries, for physiotherapy to help eat, for speech therapy, for hearing assessments. The list goes on.

Everyone waiting on the longest lists known to the NHS are waiting for life changing interventions. Their conditions may be longer lasting than long Covid.

To me, it seems you're fixating on one condition (understandably because it affects you and your family) but you're ignoring the millions of others still sitting waiting for letters to come through the post with offers of medical help. Caused mostly by isolation.[/quote]
You can be both, though - having Long Covid and also needing other medical interventions and having Long Covid makes accessing healthcare even harder.

Pericarditis is not unique to covid and could be caused by any number of viruses. It also has a relatively low mortality rate (although certainly not negligible).

I didn’t suggest it was unique to Covid. Why would you think I did? It’s actually not an uncommon complication of any virus, among other things. I just gave an example that my brother had told me about that stuck with me because it was genuinely awful. Because were it not for Covid, that child wouldn’t have developed a complication which ultimately killed him.

I used these examples because they deeply upset my resilient doctor brother, who has spent most days since the pandemic started intubating very sick people, which in turn caused me to take stock and want to protect others.

Unlike some on this thread who want to actively infect people for their own selfish ends.

@NameChanged15729

NormanStrangerson I’d be interested to know if the pregnant woman was vaccinated. Actually I’d like to know how many of those deaths were among the unvaccinated. Any death is obviously horrible but from the news reports I’ve seen the majority of people in intensive care units and dying are people who have made the decision to not have the vaccine. I don’t really know what can be done about that. I am willing to wear a mask, test and take all vaccines offered to protect the nhs and the vulnerable but I massively resent doing those things for people who won’t help themselves. Not including the small minority who can’t have the vaccine for whatever reasons.

At the end of the day people have died from having the vaccine. If you are anti vax then you need to accept the risk of illness and death from not taking it, just as you have to accept the small risk of vaccine complications if you choose to take it. I am pregnant and had both doses in pregnancy. I was not entirely comfortable with it but for me the benefits outweighed the fear of the unknown. It’s one thing asking people to protect the vulnerable but it’s another thing entirely asking people to protect the unwilling.

I believe she’d had one vaccine. This happened some months ago. She’s still in hospital.

@Marianne1234

I just can’t get excited about this any more.

If it’s as rife as the headlines are screaming about then what’s even the point 🤷🏻‍♀️

But it's rife because people are ignoring the requirement to isolate?!?!

There is a few local hospitals that have shit their minor injuries as units today due to staffing. It’s 999 or A&E as they’ve pulled staff there as aren’t enough for all the hospitals. But it’s ok, it’s a mild cold. All those people with heart attacks today will be waiting longer and get worse care

Brotherhelp people having heart attacks will be prioritised above anyone who would have been attending a minor injuries unit.

There's no doubt the NHS is under pressure but your comment is very dramatic.

@BellaChagall

Brotherhelp people having heart attacks will be prioritised above anyone who would have been attending a minor injuries unit.

There's no doubt the NHS is under pressure but your comment is very dramatic.

A poster on here had to drive her father who was having a heart attack, to hospital the other day, because there were no ambulances available for up to for two hours.

A two hour wait for an ambulance is not unusual pre covid this time of year - the NHS as much as it is exalted as a amazing organisation is chronically badly run. I'd rather pay private.

@BellaChagall

Brotherhelp people having heart attacks will be prioritised above anyone who would have been attending a minor injuries unit.

There's no doubt the NHS is under pressure but your comment is very dramatic.

It is dramatic as it is dangerous this weekend, other specialities are covering medical wards they don’t know. Yes heart attacks come first, but if there are two heart attacks at the same time and only the staff to treat one? The point is there aren’t enough staff to staff A&E and minors in this hospital. And in the major hospital they’re asking surgeon consultants to cover medical patients.

The NHS has been underfunded for so long and now so many of the staff are off with covid as it’s been allowed to spread. Yes they might all be fine in a week, but there are still no staff.

[quote humdingle]@BrotherHelp "Long covid, like I said. Colleagues, healthy people who got covid pre vaccine, and some post. Loosing their jobs. Not anecdotal. Healthy people who did iron men, cycled miles every day, worked all the hours. Now nothing. No treatment as it’s all so new. But meh, it’s not individually in a paper for you."

If you know multiple people in your area who this has happened to, I have bad news for you, it's not just covid as that is not normal, something else is happening. I would be campaigning to get your water tested or something.

You are speaking about people (plural) who did iron men events and are completely incapacitated now and you are saying it's not anecdotal - so please, point me to the data that reports all these multiple former iron man participants who cannot function day to day (because if you can't do that then guess what - it's anecdotal! And probably an exaggeration)
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Just wow. Picking apart my grammar. Yes one person who competed as an iron man/was an iron men racer. Other colleagues who were at stupid peak fitness. Do you not think working in a huge hospital people would not know many colleagues off from long covid pre vaccines? Yes I know multiple people. Lots of people are getting research published/trying to post the data.

That it’s all so new and they don’t know how to treat?

Like the other poster said, just because you don’t know someone it’s not all fine. But hey, all those NHS staff who want to work/play with their kids and not lose their jobs/house etc don’t have long covid. 120k off long term sock with long covid was the last count. But ha ha so funny it’s all in the water, can’t be due to this stupidly clever virus pandemic which messes up so much and isn’t a fucking cold.

Did you see the wall of names people wrote in london of NHS workers who have died during covid? It’s heart breaking. People who were healthy. But the anti vaxxers will pick apart that they had underlying health conditions. Surely most people over 40 will have at some point had a cholesterol or blood pressure check or asthma or an allergy to something mild , and that’s enough for the stats to show you had an underlying health condition so you don’t count when you die.

A two hour wait for an ambulance is not unusual pre covid this time of year - the NHS as much as it is exalted as a amazing organisation is chronically badly run. I'd rather pay private.

Almost no private hospitals offer emergency care so I presume you mean for normal treatment, not if you needed an ambulance?

Brotherhelp

As you said, basically anything you have previously had treatment for is "an underlying condition". The attached is from a doctor.

Re long Covid, my dd had what is classed as long covid. It doesn’t mean forever Covid necessarily. She had a cough that persisted for several months, and even made her vomit with coughing.

Not nice at all, but she has now got over it. She had Covid in March 2020 and the cough went on all summer.

Happy new year all!! Sayed javid says we have to "learn to live with covid" most sensible comment an mp said since this started.
Heres to a 2022 with no restrictions and back to living.

RIP. Prayers.

Hear hear @MrsBerthaRochester

@StarbucksSmarterSister erm yes you can, there are several providers that offer both transport and emergency response ambulances.