SIL gone to panto when waiting for PCR result - oh yes she did!

[anotherannoyngSIL]

Name changed as I’ve been slated on here before for not allowing my SIL to do as she pleases.

Today I thought we’d made a positive turn as she has taken my older son and hers to the pantomime as I’ve got a broken leg (though she has made a big thing about helping out).

Unfortunately she’s just text me to say “BTW I’ve had a positive lateral and waiting on my PCR but decided to take the boys anyway as xxx (her son) was looking forward to it, I’m sure that’s fine”.

In which universe is that fine?? She’s risking not just my son, but the others she’s gone with and the whole audience!! She is very jealous if people do social things without her but surely there comes a time when sense is more important than FOMO?? I’m assuming she waited till she was there to tell me so I couldn’t do anything.

Husband says I’m being unreasonable for being annoyed as the rules aren’t clear cut and she hasn’t had the PCR test back.

AIBU for wanting to ban her as she’s so irresponsible and only really cares about herself?

"How do you come to that conclusion when they've acknowledged that the vast majority of hospital admissions with Covid are incidental. Ie they are in for other reasons and happen to test positive in hospital."

Sorry, could you point me to where this has been stated? Things obviously are changing but the last thing I read suggested 70% were being treated primarily for Covid

amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/29/how-can-we-measure-the-true-scale-of-uk-covid-hospital-admissions

It's also important to point that regardless covid patients will need to be isolated from others and that does have an impact of staff and resources. Covid may also complicate any ongoing treatment they are receiving for ongoing conditions.

This up to date information and data - is that the same data the scientists advising the government are privy to or is there some MN data they haven’t seen? Just finding it hard to work out why they would be urging caution for “just a head cold” or people spreading “sore throats.”

I’m looking forward to the briefing where Chris Witty announces, “Most people will be fine, we’ve just got to get on with it now. Sick of it.”

Of course they’re urging caution but if they were seriously worried there would be restrictions on mixing surely. I know many people wouldn’t comply but many would.

[quote Covidworries]@humdingle

Are you incapable of googling?
Do you really need us to find you links?
Or would you rather pretend its a made up figure?[/quote]
Yes I am incapable of googling and finding this because it's made up. Prove that it's not! Or can't you?

@DappledOliveGroves

I'm afraid I couldn't get het up about this. If one-third of all people are asymptomatic and merrily spreading it, then what difference does it make if someone may be aware that they may test positive? If isolation worked, why do we have close to 200,000 cases a day?

Frankly, it's so contagious that if you don't want to catch it then don't go anywhere. Mind you, I've always felt that the onus should be on those not wanting to catch it to stay home, rather than others having to curtail their freedom in case someone catches it.

The vulnerable have spent nearly 2 years staying at home. Don't you think they should be allowed out occasionally and be able to rely on others sticking to the rules? Even if someone was asymptomatic, they should be testing regularly anyway. The mental health of the vulnerable is just as important as those who are healthy

@Marianne1234

Of course they’re urging caution but if they were seriously worried there would be restrictions on mixing surely. I know many people wouldn’t comply but many would.

Why are they urging caution if it’s something we can and should live with? If it’s not a problem? If it’s “just a head cold”?

They did advise restrictions. Boris chose not to implement them. This was framed as the scientists being “gloomy.”

The mental health of the vulnerable is just as important as those who are healthy

100% agree. So much talk of 'this doesn't trump that'. It's frightening that some refuse to see vulnerable people as important members of society too.

@humdingle

So if the 2 links id already added and the link added by the other person you tagged asking for links werent enough, im not sure what is going to be enough for you

Keep living in la la land

[quote humdingle]@BonnesVacances "People keep going on about how CEV individuals should assess risk and decide themselves if it's safe to go somewhere. But that's impossible when they don't know what people are doing because they think their own needs are above the law."

Actually, I don't think it's impossible to risk assess just now. I think it's safe to assume you will probably encounter covid if you go to public indoor places right now. It couldn't be a more clear cut risk assessment as you call it. Covid is absolutely everywhere at the moment. That's with or without people knowingly going out while having covid. I personally wouldn't do it, but it's so widespread that you have to assume there will be multiple people in a venue like a theatre who have it unknowingly and yes sadly possibly knowingly too. [/quote]
Most people, including the government couldn't give a toss about the CEV. Nothing was ever about protecting them and it never will be. It has always been about keeping them from clogging up services for everyone else .

[quote Covidworries]@humdingle

So if the 2 links id already added and the link added by the other person you tagged asking for links werent enough, im not sure what is going to be enough for you

Keep living in la la land[/quote]
I looked at those, they don't say that 1 in 7 children are suffering from long covid. So if that's the best you can do, I'll take it as proof that it's a made up statistic. You were wrong to quote it.

@Sugarplumfairy65 well, arguably shielding and so on were to protect the CEV. But I can see your point that that could be construed as keeping services clear of CEV people in order to be prepared for the masses - I don't know if that was the aim, it would be a sorry position indeed if it was.

Did you really look at all 3. Clearly you didnt look at all of them

@BonnesVacances I think you have misunderstood what I said, or you are mixing up risk assessment with risk avoidance.

It is quite easy to assess the risk just now - covid is absolutely everywhere and you should assume you'll encounter it and act accordingly.

It is almost impossible to avoid the risk just now - even with all the mitigations we have.

It sounds like you want to avoid the risk, not merely assess it. And that is not possible right now.

@Covidworries

Did you really look at all 3. Clearly you didnt look at all of them

Then please point out exactly what I've missed since you can clearly see it..?

@humdingle

14% upto 1 in 7 is at the top of this
www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2021/sep/first-findings-worlds-largest-study-long-covid-children

Which apparently yoy have already read

[quote Covidworries]@humdingle

14% upto 1 in 7 is at the top of this
www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2021/sep/first-findings-worlds-largest-study-long-covid-children

Which apparently yoy have already read[/quote]
Now have a look at that, and compare it to what you quoted. Can you see the difference? Do you need a hand? 😂

No i dont need a hand

1 in 7 or 14 % of children suffering long covid are you saying that is ok?
if it was 1 in 10 would that be ok ?

Lets see is it just ok because it isnt your child?

It’s screamingly apparent some people on here aren’t medics or haven’t got medics in their families.

An account of an intubated pregnant woman unlikely to wake up, whose baby was born a few months ago by csection, an account of a child with no underlying health conditions dying from complications of Covid (pericarditis), and numerous accounts of people of all ages dying alone in hospital beds… that was enough for me to test when I need to test, and stay at home when I need to stay at home, and to not be a selfish “I’m alright, Jack” twat.

If covid numbers were currently low I'd understand but currently in any one audience it's likely that countless people will be positive. Some asymptomatic and some one of the many 'oh I know it's just a cold' people. If I go to a crowded place atm I do so knowing. There is likely to be covid positive people there and if I was vulnerable or had a close family member who was I simply wouldn't go

@Covidworries

No i dont need a hand

1 in 7 or 14 % of children suffering long covid are you saying that is ok?
if it was 1 in 10 would that be ok ?

Lets see is it just ok because it isnt your child?

Sorry to butt in but this snarking isn’t getting us anywhere. It doesn’t say 14% of children have long Covid. It says 14% of children who caught Covid have long Covid.

"I’m looking forward to the briefing where Chris Witty announces, “Most people will be fine, we’ve just got to get on with it now. Sick of it.”
This made me chuckle. But honestly everyone is tired of covid but going to panto after positive lateral flow is an extremely dick move and I would be furious if I knew them. Luckily I know noone so selfish and ridiculous in real life.

I think that’s the point humdingle is trying to make.

NormanStrangerson I’d be interested to know if the pregnant woman was vaccinated. Actually I’d like to know how many of those deaths were among the unvaccinated. Any death is obviously horrible but from the news reports I’ve seen the majority of people in intensive care units and dying are people who have made the decision to not have the vaccine.
I don’t really know what can be done about that. I am willing to wear a mask, test and take all vaccines offered to protect the nhs and the vulnerable but I massively resent doing those things for people who won’t help themselves. Not including the small minority who can’t have the vaccine for whatever reasons.

At the end of the day people have died from having the vaccine. If you are anti vax then you need to accept the risk of illness and death from not taking it, just as you have to accept the small risk of vaccine complications if you choose to take it. I am pregnant and had both doses in pregnancy. I was not entirely comfortable with it but for me the benefits outweighed the fear of the unknown. It’s one thing asking people to protect the vulnerable but it’s another thing entirely asking people to protect the unwilling.

@CalishataFolkart

I think that’s the point humdingle is trying to make.

Yes, thank you. Some people are intent on misquoting stats to induce fear.

@Covidworries perhaps you can stop misquoting stats now.

The scariest statistic in that report is the one about the proportion of young people who feel sad or worried. Almost half of them, whether they've had covid or not. This way of life that we're forcing on them is devastating. Much more so than covid itself.

@NormanStangerson

It’s screamingly apparent some people on here aren’t medics or haven’t got medics in their families.

An account of an intubated pregnant woman unlikely to wake up, whose baby was born a few months ago by csection, an account of a child with no underlying health conditions dying from complications of Covid (pericarditis), and numerous accounts of people of all ages dying alone in hospital beds… that was enough for me to test when I need to test, and stay at home when I need to stay at home, and to not be a selfish “I’m alright, Jack” twat.

Pericarditis is not unique to covid and could be caused by any number of viruses. It also has a relatively low mortality rate (although certainly not negligible). I have had pericarditis by the way.

But onto your point about these cases - of course they are tragedies, each one of them. But there are just as many, if not more, tragedies that have been caused by the response to covid rather than the covid itself. I know of several local young people who have taken their own lives this year for example. There are tragedies on all sides and we can't actively pursue a policy that puts the entire population at risk in order to avoid a small number of tragedies from covid itself. It is a horrible decision to have to make and one I'm glad doesn't fall to me.