SIL gone to panto when waiting for PCR result - oh yes she did!

[anotherannoyngSIL]

Name changed as I’ve been slated on here before for not allowing my SIL to do as she pleases.

Today I thought we’d made a positive turn as she has taken my older son and hers to the pantomime as I’ve got a broken leg (though she has made a big thing about helping out).

Unfortunately she’s just text me to say “BTW I’ve had a positive lateral and waiting on my PCR but decided to take the boys anyway as xxx (her son) was looking forward to it, I’m sure that’s fine”.

In which universe is that fine?? She’s risking not just my son, but the others she’s gone with and the whole audience!! She is very jealous if people do social things without her but surely there comes a time when sense is more important than FOMO?? I’m assuming she waited till she was there to tell me so I couldn’t do anything.

Husband says I’m being unreasonable for being annoyed as the rules aren’t clear cut and she hasn’t had the PCR test back.

AIBU for wanting to ban her as she’s so irresponsible and only really cares about herself?

@NameChanged15729

Friendshipsarehardforme you have pretty much summarised how I feel about it all.

At the end of the day continuing this madness might be somewhat protecting the cev but it’s at a cost to so many other people. Children with disabilities, people feeling isolated with poor mental health, people losing there jobs... not being able to survive on repeated statutory sick pay. It’s not ok to just sweep it all under ‘the pandemic doesn’t end because people have had enough ’. It won’t end. Covid isn’t going anywhere and it’s always going to be a threat to vulnerable people. Unfortunately those vulnerable people do not trump the rights of everybody else.

I do agree it can't go on forever. But I don't think it's ongoing now to 'somewhat protect the CEV'. It's to protect the health service for everyone who might need it, Covid-related or not. The government is also prioritising the majority and doesn't care about the CEV either. It has its head in the sand over Long Covid and is kicking that can down the road.

The latter has also caused "children with disabilities, people feeling isolated with poor mental health, people losing there jobs... not being able to survive on repeated statutory sick pay". For months though (18 months in our case), not 7-10 days at a time. I've lost my job to look after DD and there's no SSP for me. My DD is self harming and there is no NHS healthcare because everyone else with Long Covid wants to see the same consultants.

Letting Covid pass at will and infect at the rates it's doing will increase Long Covid numbers and affect people far far more than 7-10 days of isolation. But I do realise this is hard for people to relate to and that getting Long Covid feels like low odds (even though they aren't) and that they'd rather take their chances and have some semblance of a normal life again. I often wonder on these threads how people would cope with Long Covid though, when the minor mitigations in place now are such a struggle for them.

@WhatAHexIGotInto

I was all for Covid restrictions whilst the virus presented a real risk to people.

But the pros of isolating no longer outweigh the cons.

@FriendshipsAreHardForMe can I ask, genuinely, not in an inflammatory way, does that mean that you don't believe that people should isolate if they have CoVID?

Having read and listened to what I have in recent days about the evidence of Omicron...

I think policy should change. My personal views are; mask wearing for those who can should stay (because it's not hard for most people to wear a mask and it has no ill effect). But isolating, if symptoms are mild should end.

In the rare occasions symptoms aren't mild then people should stay at home whilst symptomatic, as you'd hope with any virus. But if asymptomatic or if it's presenting as a cold, then yes, I think people shouldn't isolate.

Education and healthcare isn't sustainable if people isolate for cold like symptoms.

@marianne1234

Having to wear a seatbelt is a retriction. Havingnto make a child with sensory issues wear a seat belt reduces the amount of journeys we can do and i dont like seeing the disapointment on their face when they have to go in car but that life sometimes.
Not downing a bottle of wine before driving is a restriction.
Not speeding at 50 through a 30 zone is a restriction.
Life is full of restrictions some restrictions like staying home when covid postive are not forever but currently needed now else they would have been stopped already the experts still see the need in not going out to public places while covid positive.

The idea of testing and isolating if positive is that it keeps cases as low as possible at any given time. So that the utility companies may have a couple of staff off but can hopefully limp on to ensure emergencies are dealt with and we keep our utilities functioning. Every memeber of staff off at the same time is going to cause disruptions. Ditto the lorry drivers, ditto the supermarkey staff, ditto the school staff, and most importantly ditto the NHS.

Hospitilasations are currently higher and quicker than the worse case predictions at a time when staffing iis dropping. Good luck to anyone needing medical care for any reason in the next few weeks

[quote frazzledali]@chaosrabbitland you can't see how it's goady to say things like "running around like a hysteric"? Then I think you are proving my point.[/quote]
no its the truth , i have to deal with these people day in and day out working on a healthcare counter , the long awaited flow tests came in yesterday and we had to ration them to 1 per person instead of 2 , they ran out in about an hour , we have posters up saying they are out of stock , but it still does not stop the whingy when are you getting more , do you now where i can get them qustions followed by despairing sighing , like they are in search of the ark of the covenent instead of an unreliable test which then has to be followed up by a reliable one to confirm a positive result and all for a varient which is proving to be mild in the vast majority of people , christ how have people let themselves get to this !! its not being goady its speaking the truth

@BonnesVacances but most people recover from long Covid. For most people it's a temporary thing.

What about people still waiting for cancer treatments, for eye surgeries, for physiotherapy to help eat, for speech therapy, for hearing assessments. The list goes on.

Everyone waiting on the longest lists known to the NHS are waiting for life changing interventions. Their conditions may be longer lasting than long Covid.

To me, it seems you're fixating on one condition (understandably because it affects you and your family) but you're ignoring the millions of others still sitting waiting for letters to come through the post with offers of medical help. Caused mostly by isolation.

What about people still waiting for cancer treatments, for eye surgeries, for physiotherapy to help eat, for speech therapy, for hearing assessments. The list goes on.

Those will be delayed if the staff are off with long covid, covid or the hospitals are too busy with covid patients.

It's irresponsible that she went knowingly but I won't pretend that I would have taken a lft - I would have gone.

@kitcat15

Exactly, we decided at work to stop testing twice a week, everyone is vaccinated and boosted, we wear masks for visitors

@NameChanged15729

Bonnesvacances

I’ve read everyone of your posts and while I do feel sympathy for your daughters health struggles, I also feel your being just as selfish as the people arguing for no restrictions.

Your argument is she feels unable to go out after contracting severe Covid and in return you want restrictions lasting forever? Is that not selfish? Your asking people to curtail there lives for the sake of your dd. What about my children? They need to physically be at school for the sake of there mental health. They deserve to have happy childhoods without plans being cancelled because of Covid. It’s extremely difficult to explain to children with asd why plans they are excited for have to change with short notice.
The problem with the isolation rules is that it’s just dragging this out when it’s inevitable that it has to end eventually. So yes, I find what your asking just as selfish. Your dd’s needs do not trump my dc’s needs. We are all selfish in this and looking for what’s best for our own nearest and dearest.

Where did @BonnesVacances suggest children didn't attend school?

@purpledaisies

Why would they be off with Covid? Most cases of Omicron are now sore throats. If people are off work due to sore throats then I'd question their work ethic.

The hospitals won't be too busy with Covid patients. Stats are showing Omicron isn't causing hospitalisations like Delta and previous variants did. It's mild. And data is also showing most hospitalisations with covid are incidental - people were in hospital for other reasons and happened to test positive for Covid whilst there (which isn't surprising given how contagious Omicron is).

Start reading the evidence coming out about Omicron. It's not the same as Delta.

[quote WhatAHexIGotInto]@Marianne1234 isn't that what everyone wishes for though? Don't we all, even those with differing views at the moment, want CoVID to go away and for lives to return to normal?[/quote]
Of course we do
But some people aren't even prepared to take mitigating measures while this is with us, like wearing a mask if they can or precautionary testing before mixing with others.

[quote frazzledali]@chaosrabbitland you can't see how it's goady to say things like "running around like a hysteric"? Then I think you are proving my point.[/quote]
She knows it's goady. She doesn't care.

[quote FriendshipsAreHardForMe]**@BonnesVacances* but most people recover from long Covid. For most* people it's a temporary thing.

What about people still waiting for cancer treatments, for eye surgeries, for physiotherapy to help eat, for speech therapy, for hearing assessments. The list goes on.

Everyone waiting on the longest lists known to the NHS are waiting for life changing interventions. Their conditions may be longer lasting than long Covid.

To me, it seems you're fixating on one condition (understandably because it affects you and your family) but you're ignoring the millions of others still sitting waiting for letters to come through the post with offers of medical help. Caused mostly by isolation.[/quote]

I don't agree it's caused mostly by isolation rules. How does allowing people with Covid to pass it on to healthcare staff improve the situation and help patients with other conditions to receive treatment? Who's delivering these appointments, operations, services to while they're temporarily off with sickness or longer with Long Covid?

Who's teaching the kids when teachers are off sick with actual Covid illness? Do you think people coming into work or socialising with Covid would result in less time off and an increase in the delivery of treatment or services than when people are (unnecessarily) isolating with it?

I’m sure I read that teachers in Scotland have been advised they can work if they are asymptomatic. Maybe I’ve picked that up wrong.

It still hospitalises a % if 100 people had delta and 1 got hosptalised and omicon hospitalises 2/3 less often if we have 300 cases the hospital are dealing with the same number of cases.
If of the 300 people 70 are too ill too work for a week and 10 are too ill to work for a month till doesnt seem bad untill you realise we have a daily cases of close to 300k (estimated based in lack of tests) which means daily hospitalisations are going to be pushing 1000 and approx week long absences from the work place of 70000 extra every day.

Do you see that the potential for problems is quite high?

@bonnesvacances

You aren't educating yourself with up to date information. You're taking as though it's Delta.

I'm sorry, but until you acknowledge that Omicron is causing extremely mild symptoms there's no point you discussing Covid. It doesn't matter if people are spreading sore throats. It does matter if people can't access healthcare.

But some people aren't even prepared to take mitigating measures while this is with us, like wearing a mask if they can or precautionary testing before mixing with others

For the record I am not this person. I’ve always worn my mask. I did my pre-Christmas day testing. I’m fully vaccinated. I’ve complied with the rules from day one.

But this is a head cold and it’s too much now.

@Covidworries

It still hospitalises a % if 100 people had delta and 1 got hosptalised and omicon hospitalises 2/3 less often if we have 300 cases the hospital are dealing with the same number of cases. If of the 300 people 70 are too ill too work for a week and 10 are too ill to work for a month till doesnt seem bad untill you realise we have a daily cases of close to 300k (estimated based in lack of tests) which means daily hospitalisations are going to be pushing 1000 and approx week long absences from the work place of 70000 extra every day.

Do you see that the potential for problems is quite high?

How do you come to that conclusion when they've acknowledged that the vast majority of hospital admissions with Covid are incidental. Ie they are in for other reasons and happen to test positive in hospital.

Look at South Africa. They've had Omicron longer, with fewer vaccinated and evidence is positive with regards to hospitalisations DUE to Covid.

The hospital issues are more compounded by people isolating than it is by people needing treatment for Covid.

I feel people are reluctant to update their views on Covid. Why won't you acknowledge up to date data? It's all very well quoting figures but you need to look into what it's showing and isn't showing. They're incidental findings.

@Marianne1234

I’m sure I read that teachers in Scotland have been advised they can work if they are asymptomatic. Maybe I’ve picked that up wrong.

Nope! Teachers in Scotland can voluntarily leave isolation if negative we have Whole household isolation for 10 days regardless of vaccination and negative test results.

@friendshipsarehardforme

Children hospitalisations are rising.

The data from nhs England states that 71% of covid addmissions are because if covid

Attachment fail

@Marianne1234

But some people aren't even prepared to take mitigating measures while this is with us, like wearing a mask if they can or precautionary testing before mixing with others

For the record I am not this person. I’ve always worn my mask. I did my pre-Christmas day testing. I’m fully vaccinated. I’ve complied with the rules from day one.

But this is a head cold and it’s too much now.

I didn't say that you were that person. Another poster admitted to being that person though, and there are loads more like her around.

@Marianne1234 thank you, I understand your position on this now. While I do agree with much of what you say, I still feel very conflicted about isolation. What may be a bad cold to me, may make someone else very ill and I would hate to be the person to cause someone else to become very unwell.

The last thing I, and I think most people, want is any more lockdowns. I wouldn't even pretend to know what the solution to this is, but I do still think that we should exercise some degree of caution I suppose. I think we would all agree that we've all had enough of covid now, but I do find the 'I just don't care' attitudes of some of the posters on this thread hard to stomach, it just smacks of seeing other people as collateral damage as long as it doesn't affect them.

What did your dh say op to her result being positive

There's a certain irony in seeing a particular poster now complaining about being misrepresented 🤔