SIL gone to panto when waiting for PCR result - oh yes she did!

[anotherannoyngSIL]

Name changed as I’ve been slated on here before for not allowing my SIL to do as she pleases.

Today I thought we’d made a positive turn as she has taken my older son and hers to the pantomime as I’ve got a broken leg (though she has made a big thing about helping out).

Unfortunately she’s just text me to say “BTW I’ve had a positive lateral and waiting on my PCR but decided to take the boys anyway as xxx (her son) was looking forward to it, I’m sure that’s fine”.

In which universe is that fine?? She’s risking not just my son, but the others she’s gone with and the whole audience!! She is very jealous if people do social things without her but surely there comes a time when sense is more important than FOMO?? I’m assuming she waited till she was there to tell me so I couldn’t do anything.

Husband says I’m being unreasonable for being annoyed as the rules aren’t clear cut and she hasn’t had the PCR test back.

AIBU for wanting to ban her as she’s so irresponsible and only really cares about herself?

@MrsBerthaRochester

In Scotland you cannot get a lft or pcr test at the moment. So should everyone just assume they are positive and stay at home?

Not true

What a clusterfuck of a thread. So much division, and ensuing bile. In RL families and friends falling out. Awful.

Everyone eligible for booster will have had the opportunity by mid January (vulnerable groups already done). Everything points to omicron being milder. The picture is a positive one.

Hopefully gov has the bollocks to, shortly, scrap isolation completely.

I'm from scotland and three friends got PCRs today and I was able to pick up two boxes of LFTs from chemist so you can get tests here

I suggest you start with UCL and public health England

@BonnesVacances "People keep going on about how CEV individuals should assess risk and decide themselves if it's safe to go somewhere. But that's impossible when they don't know what people are doing because they think their own needs are above the law."

Actually, I don't think it's impossible to risk assess just now. I think it's safe to assume you will probably encounter covid if you go to public indoor places right now. It couldn't be a more clear cut risk assessment as you call it. Covid is absolutely everywhere at the moment. That's with or without people knowingly going out while having covid. I personally wouldn't do it, but it's so widespread that you have to assume there will be multiple people in a venue like a theatre who have it unknowingly and yes sadly possibly knowingly too.

@Covidworries

I suggest you start with UCL and public health England

Prove it. Or can't you?

@BonnesVacances

Perhaps, but being in an enclosed space will also raise the odds of catching it, even if only asymptomatic people attend.

I know it's the law to isolate. I agree with following the law.

BUT I don't think it should be law now. There's enough evidence in the UK and South Africa (where Omicron has been dominant for longest) to prove that Omicron is much milder and much less likely to result in severe illness.

All those nurses/docs having to isolate and non-urgent operations and appointments being cancelled and delayed. It's inexcusable now, there is simply no clinical reasonings to evidence the benefits of isolating outweigh the cons - to OTHERS as well as ourselves.

And kids missing schooling still. For what? Cold symptoms?

It's unsustainable and unfair. Covid has changed, our response to it needs to change now too.

@gaolbhoalba

Can i just point out that CEV under 12 have had no vaccinations yet. Zilch, nadda, not one

[quote humdingle]**@Covidworries* and @BonnesVacances* if you are claiming as true a statistic that 1 in 7 children is suffering from long covid, please show exactly where you are getting this from. If you are unable to cite it accurately, then I am quite confidently calling bullshit on it. [/quote]

www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2021/sep/first-findings-worlds-largest-study-long-covid-children

@humdingle

Are you incapable of googling?
Do you really need us to find you links?
Or would you rather pretend its a made up figure?

[quote Covidworries]@gaolbhoalba

Can i just point out that CEV under 12 have had no vaccinations yet. Zilch, nadda, not one[/quote]
That's because robust studies have demonstrated that children, who were originally considered CEV, no longer need to be considered such - their risk from becoming seriously ill from the virus is so low that vaccine isnt considered necessary.

[quote humdingle]@BonnesVacances "People keep going on about how CEV individuals should assess risk and decide themselves if it's safe to go somewhere. But that's impossible when they don't know what people are doing because they think their own needs are above the law."

Actually, I don't think it's impossible to risk assess just now. I think it's safe to assume you will probably encounter covid if you go to public indoor places right now. It couldn't be a more clear cut risk assessment as you call it. Covid is absolutely everywhere at the moment. That's with or without people knowingly going out while having covid. I personally wouldn't do it, but it's so widespread that you have to assume there will be multiple people in a venue like a theatre who have it unknowingly and yes sadly possibly knowingly too. [/quote]

Yes this is true. It's not possible to assess risk at the moment. So the CEV have the choice to accept the risk or to stay at home while everyone else gets to do what the fuck they want, irrespective of what the rules say. How equitable!

Tbh I fully expect people to be absolute shits and don't trust the general public to give a flying fuck about people like my seriously ill DD, though I appreciate everyone who does. So our worlds remain as tiny as they were last year and DD is so deeply traumatised by her Covid experience that she's planning on not leaving the house ever again while people are still shouting from the rooftops that we have to learn to live with it and fuck anyone who might die from it because we are more important.

Of course by the time she's well enough for counselling for PTSD, the world will have forgotten all about accessibility from home and she probably won't be able to get it online anyway.

My 3 dcs are traumatised from having to watch me have a complete mental breakdown and be sectioned due to not being able to see a doctor face to face as everyone was obsessed with covid. My youngest is also waiting for counselling for this so I understand your frustration for your daughter. Covid has affected many folk directly and indirectly. Yet I still stand firm in my belief that we now have to live with it.

Before 2020 and the pandemic many people would have agreed that going out knowing you are infectious with any disease like measles, flu or gastro is wrong. Why is it suddenly acceptable to some people because it is Covid?

@MrsBerthaRochester

My 3 dcs are traumatised from having to watch me have a complete mental breakdown and be sectioned due to not being able to see a doctor face to face as everyone was obsessed with covid. My youngest is also waiting for counselling for this so I understand your frustration for your daughter. Covid has affected many folk directly and indirectly. Yet I still stand firm in my belief that we now have to live with it.

As far as I understand, not being able to get a doctors appointment was because of the sheer numbers of people with Covid putting a strain on the health system. I can't understand why you feel that throwing caution to the wind will improve that situation.

My DD has to live with reading that she doesn't matter as she's CEV and is just hindering other people from being able to go to a pantomime at will. And that other people's need to get back to normal and ditch masks and be able to go wherever they want without testing is more important than her quality of life or certainty of a future, and that of other CEV people.

Do you think it's going to burn out if it's left to be transmitted through the world and you don't mind who it takes with it or how many people end up seriously ill, and unable to work or go to school? Is that your position? If so, do you have any sense at all of how unnecessary that is? When the alternative is not actually all that onerous on the wider population in the whole scheme of things? And how that outcome would impact on the economy and actual people's lives?

Gps were not overrun with covid patients as you couldnt see a gp if you had covid symptoms. But they were told to prioritise it above everything else.
Im hopeful that the majority of folk in this country will say enough is enough. If we have to riot like is going on in parts of Europe then so be it.

@FriendshipsAreHardForMe

She's an idiot for lying and for knowingly going.

BUT given Omicron is now known to be much milder and much more contagious, they're predicting everyone will have it in the coming weeks. So really, I think it's about time we live our lives and go out despite Covid. Your son would be fine catching Covid. If anyone is particularly vulnerable to a cold like virus then I'd hazard a guess that the aren't at a pantomime.

Yes she's going again the rules. But the rules need to change now we know what were working with. You can't prevent the unpreventable.

Actually, Omicron seems to be affecting the DC much worse than last time. You really can't say someone will be 'fine'.

[quote FriendshipsAreHardForMe]@waitingpatientlyforspring

But will all respect, what about asymptomatic people?

Your aunt would have been taking a big risk going even if everyone there had no signs of covid. And tests aren't 100% accurate.

Anyone who is immunosuppressant should steer clear of large gatherings, irrespective of "trust".

And not just for Covid but also flu and all sorts of other viruses around in deep winter.[/quote]
The problem for me is that's for life. So no panto, Christmas outings, clubs, bars, shopping centres, busy restaurants... er, work...
If I have to avoid busy crowded places due to immunocompromised! I'm not on immunosuppressive drugs, I'm just naturally immunocompromised and likely to be for my entire life

I am more careful in winter, I work in the corridor if someone in the office is unwell, I get my flu jab

It's really fucking hard - I don't want lockdown and I've gone back to shielding because thankfully I am able to. But some people don't get... I dunno. Let's say you have built a career and been at a workplace for 10 years, then suddenly you're immunocompromised and people say well stay at home/shouldn't be in busy places etc etc. We are everywhere! Even nursing staff, doctors, paramedics, supermarkets. I have to work, because I'm not entitled to any financial assistance so I work FT despite it being knackering
I can't get critical illness cover or life insurance and I didn't have it prior to diagnosis stupid of me

@FriendshipsAreHardForMe - we caught Covid that s holiday but it is touch and go if the DC will be well enough by next week. I definitely won't be.

Am I the only one noticing DC are affected worse with Omicron than in Spring 20?

[quote FriendshipsAreHardForMe]@BonnesVacances

Perhaps, but being in an enclosed space will also raise the odds of catching it, even if only asymptomatic people attend.

I know it's the law to isolate. I agree with following the law.

BUT I don't think it should be law now. There's enough evidence in the UK and South Africa (where Omicron has been dominant for longest) to prove that Omicron is much milder and much less likely to result in severe illness.

All those nurses/docs having to isolate and non-urgent operations and appointments being cancelled and delayed. It's inexcusable now, there is simply no clinical reasonings to evidence the benefits of isolating outweigh the cons - to OTHERS as well as ourselves.

And kids missing schooling still. For what? Cold symptoms?

It's unsustainable and unfair. Covid has changed, our response to it needs to change now too.[/quote]
We have found our DC have been affected worse by Omicron and it is not just 'cold symptoms'. If it was I would agree to stop isolation but ime it is still really nasty for some of us.

@MrsBerthaRochester - my DC have also been through what yours have. I'm sorry. My DD is doing play therapy through school. Don't know if that is an option? I was away from them for 3 years (had leave, obvs) but I am a better mum now.

Your SIL is a massive, crusty bellend.

I am disgusted by some of the comments on this thread.

As the saying goes... " The empty vessel makes the most noise "...

How the fuck can anyone think this is okay?

Op. Your SIL is a selfish individual and I truly hope that Karma comes back to bite her on the arse. Hard.

@MrsBerthaRochester

No statistics dont lie. They are there in black and white. The amount of healthy kids who have died from covid is minute. Everyone a tragedy but statistically healthy kids are not greatly affected by covid. Their entire futures are potentially ruined though due to having sacrificed two years of proper education though. Thats tragic.

What about unhealthy kids? Kids with chronic conditions? You are happy for them to live lives of hermits rather then take a few simple precautions to ensure they have some quality of life? Over 100 kids in the UK have died of covid - and these kids can’t avoid going out for ever.