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Why do I degrade myself?

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Anon11119 · 25/12/2021 23:46

DH said something today which has made me think. He said I subtly degrade myself around others whilst they “big themselves up”. I can’t really chat to anyone else so would like other people’s opinions on whether he’s right and some insight/advice on why I do it and how to stop.

Just this weekend for example: 1) Dsis compliments me on my bag and I tell her it’s fake, it’s not but that came out of my mouth automatically. 2) Presents - I got my kids to open presents before they saw family and just took two presents to get together where we decided cousins would open all their presents. In my Mind I did this as felt bad incase we got more expensive stuff for our kids and didn’t want others to feel bad. 3) DH told them we planning to go on holiday in April and it’s booked depending on how covid plays out. I again made a comment that we got a really cheap deal - not actual fact.

I do this A LOT with everyone abs not just family and have millions of other scenarios. In all scenarios I do it out of guilt I think and feel highly conscious others might be feeling bad.

OP posts:
drpet49 · 26/12/2021 08:08

** I would see it as lying too and would struggle to trust you.
Others have given insightful reasons as to why you may engage in this behaviour, which are interesting but nonetheless I’d think 🙄here comes Pinocchio every time I saw you.**

^This. It is lying and patronising.

notanothertakeaway · 26/12/2021 08:10

There was a thread here recently asking why people pretend to be poor when they're not. You might be interested to hunt for it

Cyberworrier · 26/12/2021 08:10

I agree with a PP who mentioned a sense of guilt. Misplaced guilt I think- as we shouldn't feel bad for having a compliment or whatever.
I do this and it has led to at least one ridiculous professional situation where the man I was working with was being treated as an expert and myself an amateur when in actual fact the opposite was the case. It was only when someone actually suggested I could get tips from the man that I realised I was being far too modest and that people were completely convinced by cocky man's bravado.
Also, I've also encountered in group therapy an exercise where we have to compliment each other and you have to accept the compliment! It shows there is a big issue with people (women in my experience) being able to accept compliments.

Schmoozer · 26/12/2021 08:11

I do this too OP
I think I do it ( because it’s such an automatic response) because I don’t feel good enough / deserving to have bought things full price or just as a treat not needed, etc
It’s like a really weird way of acknowledging a thank you or compliment and the feeling that I don’t deserve ? Weird !!

LostFrog · 26/12/2021 08:14

I do this too!

The bag thing I wouldn’t, but the others I get. It’s finding that space between tactful and boastful. I wouldn’t have my kids open their presents in front of other kids doing the same, for obvious reasons. Dh and I agonise over making it “fair” between our own kids, never mind between them and their cousins.

Bigbonesmeatandgravy · 26/12/2021 08:14

@Tabbacus I'm not psychic unfortunately. I don't know how every person I speak to will react to a compliment. And it's not just compliments anyway, like in the OP, it can be behaviour.

Schmoozer · 26/12/2021 08:14

I’m totally shocked that other people would see me as a liar, patronising 😢
As it feels like ‘thanks but it’s ok, I haven’t forgot I’m worthless’ rather than its ok to lie / put myself down

Anon11119 · 26/12/2021 08:29

A lot of what people are saying is really helping. Just to be clear I’m not “patronising” or think I’m better, the very opposite really!

Thank you to the helpful suggestions made by posters, I’ve bookmarked all the helpful ones and will be using to help me, thank you so much. I don’t want to just end the thread with just taking what I need as if someone was to come across this in future looking for help in similar thing I want to give my thinking now after reading the threads. If I’m truly honest, I think it rings true that I want to make myself “small and harmless” as a PP said. I was severely bullied at school, then I would come home and be bullied by my sisters. I was a “swot” and “book nerd” and they called me names on a daily basis and not just names it was physically hitting me. One sister in particular took everything “nice” I had growing up and I didn’t have much if I’m honest. She would just take everything and my mum did nothing. I tended to hide my things in places she couldn’t find and I just realised I still do this when she visits me! I totally didn’t even think as I do automatically!

I do think it’s a mixture of low self esteem and fear that it’s going to be taken off me! Definitely going to work on just saying “thank you” then switching subject. I know it’s going to feel weird at first.

The most healthy thing to do I think would be cut ties or at least get confident saying no to certain characters in my life. I have real issues with asking for things back so if someone borrows anything I usually just let them keep it as I don’t have the self esteem to say no I would like it back.

The present issue was I think protecting my nieces n nephews feelings. I remember what it felt like going back to school after Christmas and kids talking about what they got when I never had any presents.

OP posts:
Baddit · 26/12/2021 08:29

I used to do this for various reasons but a wise friend told me the simple truth that people believe exactly what you tell them. If you play the fool, underplay your wealth or achievements they just believe you are less than you are.

You see it at work where blaggers rise to the top.

Why would you accept that for yourself? It snapped me right out of it.

And yes, totally agree with focusing on others. Its all a bit self absorbed. How about paying someone else a compliment to make them feel good?

SportsMother · 26/12/2021 08:32

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Anon11119 · 26/12/2021 08:33

There was a thread here recently asking why people pretend to be poor when they're not. You might be interested to hunt for it

Could someone please give me link for this thread?

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lottiegarbanzo · 26/12/2021 08:34

You seem to have got into a habit of what you think is charming self-deprecation and modesty. But it isn't. You've got it wrong.

You're actually someone who bangs on about the price of everything, drawing attention to cost at every opportunity, even when no-one else was thinking about money. Someone who wants credit and recognition for being frugal, while not actually being frugal.

All your examples are about money. Not about yourself and personal qualities.

You're a would-be-cheapskate, thwarted by having too much money!

Remember: people know how well off you are. Pretending you don't enjoy your wealth makes you seem ungrateful. That behaviour rubs other people's noses in your relative wealth, far more than enjoying it would do.

You're communicating 'I have all this and I don't even want it - but I don't give it away, I spend it on myself, then pretend I haven't, or look miserable about having all those things you'd love to have but can't. Suck on that, losers!

You need to learn to take compliments and learn to acknowledge your good fortune, with humility. That includes owning up to what you have and admitting you enjoy it. And, not banging on about money, or reacting reflexively about money, all the bloody time!

NeilTheBaby12 · 26/12/2021 08:36

I do something similar but not about money, I do it about my appearance. I take the piss out of my weight all the time and how ugly I am. I dont know why I do it. It's not to get compliments because I'm not great at taking a compliment and they make me uncomfortable. DP suggested it could be a defence mechanism so that if i say something, it will stop people thinking it about me behind my back which sort of rings true tbh. Although I must add that DP doesnt think these awful things about me but he knows I think them about myself.

zoemum2006 · 26/12/2021 08:37

I find self deprecation very charming but you are lying to people and that’s quite disrespectful to them.

lottiegarbanzo · 26/12/2021 08:39

What is also interesting is how much of your identity is based in being richer than those around you. When it turns out they've done better than you think, or saved and invested well and can afford things you can't, that's really going to throw you!

lottiegarbanzo · 26/12/2021 08:42

Also remember, extreme vanity and extreme self-deprecation are the same thing. They are both based on the assumption that other people are far more interested in your appearance / wealth / whatever, than they actually are.

Truly modest, humble people smile for the photo, take the compliment and allow the conversation to move on quickly and smoothly.

Mummyoflittledragon · 26/12/2021 08:45

I find this quite insulting as the message you’re sending is:

  1. Not only am I wealthier than you, but I’m also better at seeking out a bargain and you could have it too if you were as hot at bargain seeking as me

  2. You’re upset and offended that I have more than you so I’m going to protecting - infantilising

  3. I buy fakes and don’t care about the abused slaves - including child slaves, trafficked women and drugs trade implicated in this industry

  4. I lie and idc that I lie

I get you’re not good at taking compliments - I never used to be and was very self-deprecating. I understand where this comes from having read about your sister. However, you are allowed to be you and you should consider how you come across.

NdujaWannaDance · 26/12/2021 08:53

I do this too. I was brought up not to have ideas above my station and I was rarely complimented for being good at anything, never told I was pretty etc. And we were pretty hard up when I was growing up.

As an adult I discovered that people complimented me for being attractive or clever quite often. I find it extremely hard to just say nothing and smile, or say thanks. I always have to knock it back with 'thanks, it's not true but you being very kind to say so' as though people must pity me and are doing me a favour. Confused Internally I tell myself it's because I am fat, so people feel obliged to say I have a pretty face or interesting conversation as some sort of consolation prize. I can never just take it at face value.

It's the same with any sort of talent or accomplishment - I just find it very hard to take a compliment. Let's say for example I was an excellent artist or musician (I'm neither, but you get the idea..) I never, ever voluntarily show off my talents because the thought that I might be attention seeking or fishing for compliments is an absolute anathema to me.

If DH tells people I've done something great and wants me to show them or tell them about it I am furious! Grin I have friends who show their amateur paintings or poetry or whatever on facebook and I wonder how the fuck they can do that and not feel consumed by self-consciousness, even when it's quite good.

We are quite well off now, and I am very aware that some of our friends/family think we spend daft money on certain things. We don't ever talk specific cost, but sometimes it's obvious that something came with a hefty price tag. The hoops I put myself through to explain that something was in the sale! Although I am generally pretty low maintenance in terms of clothes and grooming, I don't dress expensively at all, (I tell myself I don't deserve to, because I am a size 16 so can't do expensive clothes justice) but with holidays and my house decor etc, it's different.

But we can afford it. We enjoy buying quality things where we can and we enjoy having once in a lifetime experiences. We don't get into debt to do it.

But I am exactly the same as you. Acutely aware that I shouldn't seem boastful or flashy so I always downplay everything or try not to mention it in case people think we are trying to lord it over them. For example if friends have gone to the same place on holiday and they ask where we stayed, it's usually in one of the best hotels there, and I try to avoid telling them and pretend I can't remember the name, because I'm embarrassed.

We have a second home abroad. Whenever I hear friends say to other friends 'you should see Nduja's holiday home, it's lovely. Show them the photos Nduja' I HAVE to jump in and fall over myself to say 'we could never afford anything like that in England. It's very cheap in X country. We need a new roof really, but we can't afford it at the moment.'

I just can't help myself. Confused

I put this down to the way I was conditioned to not think too highly of myself as a child. And I really don't like to do anything that might make someone else feel inferior. I'm practically pathological about it.

Just for once I should allow myself to bask in whatever it is I am supposed to feel. But I can't.

SwanShaped · 26/12/2021 08:56

Well your background story makes it much clearer. It sounds really sad and horrible. You’re not that child anymore so you can start to live by new rules. You don’t have to let nice things be taken off you. Just don’t lend them. You can spend money on yourself, it’s ok.

Wiredforsound · 26/12/2021 08:58

You’re not from Northern Ireland, are you? It’s almost impossible to compliment someone without their response being, “this old thing? I got it in the dump for 20p. Ted hates it…” I’m from NI and it was pointed out to me by a friend who worked there. I’ve now just started saying ‘thank you’ but it’s a hard habit to break!

godmum56 · 26/12/2021 09:00

@Anon11119

A lot of what people are saying is really helping. Just to be clear I’m not “patronising” or think I’m better, the very opposite really!

Thank you to the helpful suggestions made by posters, I’ve bookmarked all the helpful ones and will be using to help me, thank you so much. I don’t want to just end the thread with just taking what I need as if someone was to come across this in future looking for help in similar thing I want to give my thinking now after reading the threads. If I’m truly honest, I think it rings true that I want to make myself “small and harmless” as a PP said. I was severely bullied at school, then I would come home and be bullied by my sisters. I was a “swot” and “book nerd” and they called me names on a daily basis and not just names it was physically hitting me. One sister in particular took everything “nice” I had growing up and I didn’t have much if I’m honest. She would just take everything and my mum did nothing. I tended to hide my things in places she couldn’t find and I just realised I still do this when she visits me! I totally didn’t even think as I do automatically!

I do think it’s a mixture of low self esteem and fear that it’s going to be taken off me! Definitely going to work on just saying “thank you” then switching subject. I know it’s going to feel weird at first.

The most healthy thing to do I think would be cut ties or at least get confident saying no to certain characters in my life. I have real issues with asking for things back so if someone borrows anything I usually just let them keep it as I don’t have the self esteem to say no I would like it back.

The present issue was I think protecting my nieces n nephews feelings. I remember what it felt like going back to school after Christmas and kids talking about what they got when I never had any presents.

Can I ask why you allow visits from your sister? Or has she genuinely apologised?
NdujaWannaDance · 26/12/2021 09:01

If someone compliments your bag/skirt/dress etc just say thanks. And if you can’t only say thanks (like me, I could talk for England) I add on something like “thanks, it’s one of my favorites”

I usually blurt out 'Thanks, it was so cheap! Sainsburys/M&S in the sale' or 'I've had it for donkey's years, I'm surprised it's not falling apart by now' or something.

To be fair that is usually the truth, although why I feel compelled to point it out is beyond me.

NdujaWannaDance · 26/12/2021 09:03

Perhaps I think that degrading the thing being complimented balances it out because I don't somehow see myself as worthy of anything to be admired? 🤔

That's exactly it.

Hibye23289 · 26/12/2021 09:03

I do this! Ive been ok looking and feel women dont always like me and think im stuck up so i put myself down or try and be really down to earth to make people feel comfortable and that I am approachable, ive made myself be smaller. Now that I am in my 30s I am slowly stopping it because i dont care what people think,I love the wisdom age brings.

But yes I agree,I always think of other peoples feelings and would play stuff down to not be showy or make them feel bad

gettingolderandgrumpy · 26/12/2021 09:08

I think Its a self confidence thing , I used to be more like this . For example I bought a house quite young teens . I would never tell people Like colleagues would assume I rent and I’d never correct them I think I didn’t want the attention. Now I know it’s something to be proud of well it’s hard work and luck that house price we’re so much cheaper than they are now . When I was at school I’d make out I didn’t know the answers when I did , it’s crazy so teachers didn’t think I was as clever . When I got older I got more confidence in job I was good at and now have a really good career. I have loads of other little examples but those are the main ones . I’m not sure why I wasn’t confident in myself I suppose when younger in a weird way if I thought I was like everyone else they would like me , I’d hate the thought anyone would be jealous of me crazy I know .