AIBU to be horrified? (content warning: sex crimes)

[Aromatica]

I've read about this case where John Ernest Goodier has been charged with bestiality, child pornography, drug possession and not sticking to his sex offenders conditions.

He recently goes by the name Claire. This paper refers to him as a man but many of the others refer to him as a woman.
www.northwichguardian.co.uk/news/19682778.northwich-man-admits-sex-dog/

AIBU to be horrified that this might be reported and recorded as a woman's crime and may serve time in a woman's prison?

(Yes I did post this before but requested it was deleted, so I could post again with a poll. In the interim, the ability to add a poll has gone and I can't see any polls in AIBU. Peculiar 🤔)

And you my friend are clearly transphobic. You realise that trans people are the most targeted group?
Targeted in what way? Where?
In the UK you're as likely to be murdered by a transperson as you are to be murdered when you're a transperson.
As for sex crime, females are overwhelmingly targeted by males whether or not the female is trans (eg a transman or NB) or the male is trans (eg a transwomen).

Do your research before spouting 'but what about women's rights" what about the rights of other minority groups
Yes. How can we balance the needs of a minority group of males who demands access to women's spaces with the needs of women? Is it ok to have these conversations?

It comes over that you don't respect Trans people's choices
The choices of people with a penis to access women's spaces? Those choices? I'm ok about women not respecting those choices.

Strangeways, many posters have provided links to reports and statistics to back up their posts. It would be appreciated if you would do likewise.

@TonyThreePies

And if you don't care about men in women's prisons (especially sex offenders) then you really must have no compassion for vulnerable women.

Exactly this. It astounds me how many people say they don't care about how they identify without seeing that this is the end result.

They won’t be put in with general population, they will be by themselves for probably 22 hours of the day.

@MorningStarlingI honestly don't understand the fuss over whether a crime is attributed to a male or a female - a rape victim is still a rape victim, a sexual assault victim is still a sexual assault victim, the gender of the attacker doesn't change that

It make make a difference to the victim. Think of the rape victim who when testifying in court was forced to refer to the rapist as a woman on pain of being done for contempt.

The added trauma of being required to deny the biology and enter a sort of dysphoria of her own and speak in court of ‘she’ and a woman, knowing full well a male bodied person used the penis to rape her, while the dysphoria of the rapist was protected by the kid gloves of the law.

P.s that is a real case.

Thank you all for answering.

When the courts, police and press behave like this it makes me feel I'm going crackers. How can they all find it reasonable? It isn't. I don't think it ever could be.

(Glad I found this disappeared thread, MN site on FF messes around in endless ways
Will attempt to do a poll if/when this happens again. I've got 5 or 6 new android browsers and I'm not afraid to use them !! 🎄)

@ErrolTheDragon

I'm somewhat cynically wondering if this particular criminal will get less sympathy and 'respect' from the system because his victims weren't just children or women but a dog.

Not cynical, sensible. Most people have sex with humans so sex crimes become a consent issue. John Claire Goodier has a collection of out there fetishes and is a "woman" which the press love for salacious headlines. Many sex offenders are sentenced each week and we don't hear a thing about them.

From what I can tell , the drugs (packaged to sell) and the child and animal abuse images were found when his home and devices were checked , he breached sex offender conditions.
John Claire Goodier is a decades long recidivist paraphilic sex offender, a profile that is as near to damnit 100% male.
Seeing him referred to as a woman in recent reports is despicable failure of courts and media.

"There's some vile transphobic comments on this thread"

Could you quote any? I see people disgusted by this paedophile, and horrified by the indulgence by the press.

"From what you're saying you'd be happy to share a cell with a female child abuser. Sure you would"

Golly, I'm sure no-one dreams of sharing a cell with any abuser at all.
It is not possible to have a women's prison with zero female criminals. It IS possible to have a female prison with zero male criminals.

Someone on another thread made this point - would people be ok if a white man committed a crime while ‘identifying as black’ and the crime was recorded as being committed by a black man?

If not then why do you think it’s any different if a man commits a crime while ‘identifying as a woman’ and it’s recorded as being committed by a woman?

to be in a less violent/'easier' area in prison

This is what I think when it's a man who commits the crime but a woman when they are in court and sentenced.

Not so much to get a lesser sentence, just to not have a high risk of restribution by other inmates.

Meant to add - because when she was a man he was a paedophile, and as a fairly burly woman she won't face what she could face as a man.

Describing make rapists as women in court and on the BBC - our state broadcaster- is state gas lighting of victims and a serious abuse.
I was abused by Jimmy Savile. The repeated descriptions of him as a heroic good msn fucked me up more than the abuse. It's horrific and outrageous to lie to victims of sexual attack in this way.

@HarrisonStickle

Meant to add - because when she was a man he was a paedophile, and as a fairly burly woman she won't face what she could face as a man.

Do you seriously believe this person is not still a man?

@YouSetTheTone

Someone on another thread made this point - would people be ok if a white man committed a crime while ‘identifying as black’ and the crime was recorded as being committed by a black man?

If not then why do you think it’s any different if a man commits a crime while ‘identifying as a woman’ and it’s recorded as being committed by a woman?

Especially if they had committed racially motivated crimes against black people.

It’s utterly fucked up.

@Outlyingtrout

So true. The analogy works exactly - a rapist being allowed to have his crime recorded as being done by a woman is the same as a white man identifying as black, committing a racially motivated crime against a black person and having his crime recorded as being done by a black man.
Can you IMAGINE the outrage?

And women are called bigots and TERFs for making the same objections…

Unbelievable really.

@YouSetTheTone

Wow when you put it like that…

Yes well put youset (love your username btw)

@Ghislainedefeligonde

Yes well put youset (love your username btw)

Legally a man is male until he has a GRC and changed sex. Both Goodier and K White are legally male and the Prison service refer to them as such. I read Goodier was put in a male prison because he is legally male and the judge said, a threat to women. KW was first sent to a female prison despite committing rape (which gov guidelines state is a male only crime). He sexually assaulted and terrorised 4 women over 3 months. The government has since apologised to the ladies and put him in a male prison.

*"It really feels like most people posting have no clue how prisons work or what they are actually like.

Women can and are also assaulted by other women, don't apply non prison statistics to prison. From that perspective, having a penis doesn't mean that a person (I am not talking about this particular disgusting waste of air) is any more or less likely to assault someone than someone without a penis."*

It really feels like somebody posting has no clue how statistics work. How did you get from "women are assaulted by other women" to male prisoners aren't statistically more likely to assault female prisoners?

I'll bet you a fiver that a male is more likely to rape a woman with his penis than a woman is to rape another woman without one.