AIBU to be horrified? (content warning: sex crimes)

[Aromatica]

I've read about this case where John Ernest Goodier has been charged with bestiality, child pornography, drug possession and not sticking to his sex offenders conditions.

He recently goes by the name Claire. This paper refers to him as a man but many of the others refer to him as a woman.
www.northwichguardian.co.uk/news/19682778.northwich-man-admits-sex-dog/

AIBU to be horrified that this might be reported and recorded as a woman's crime and may serve time in a woman's prison?

(Yes I did post this before but requested it was deleted, so I could post again with a poll. In the interim, the ability to add a poll has gone and I can't see any polls in AIBU. Peculiar 🤔)

‘48% of transwomen who are in prison are there for sex offenses’

Jesus! I didn’t know that!!

The other thing to remember is that the number of women in prison for sexual offences is vanishingly small. There are only 3,800 women in prison altogether. 76% of them are inside for not paying their tv licence.

Around 83 transwomen in prison are in for sexual offences, out of a total number of 163. 34 of these are held in women's prisons. This number does not include transwomen with a GRC who are counted as women.

More info here: kpssinfo.org/how-many-males-are-in-womens-prisons/

Only 2% of women are in prison for sexual offences vs 57% of transwomen. 17% of the male prison population are incarcerated for sexual offences.

The number of transwomen with a GRC who have been convicted of a sexual offences is included in the women's total.

18% of men in prison are inside for sex offenses.

@ques

‘48% of transwomen who are in prison are there for sex offenses’

Jesus! I didn’t know that!!

Or at least, 48% of the people claiming to be transwomen ... But thanks to the stonewall 'umbrella' and self ID, there's no way to tell how many might just be blokes playing the system.

17:23Clymene I'm getting my info from fairplayforwomen

48% Vs 57% is a huge difference.

@MorningStarling

Yes, YABU "to be horrified that this might be reported and recorded as a woman's crime and may serve time in a woman's prison?"

What difference does it make whether it's a man or a woman that allows themselves "to be penetrated by a dog" - either way it's fucking disgusting and the offender should be locked up. I honestly don't understand the fuss over whether a crime is attributed to a male or a female - a rape victim is still a rape victim, a sexual assault victim is still a sexual assault victim, the gender of the attacker doesn't change that.

It also doesn't matter if this offender ends up in a female prison as far as I'm concerned - as long as they are taken out of society then all is good. Any prisoner (male or female, in any prison) who is a threat to staff or other inmates should be placed in isolation anyway.

Bloody hell - that’s Caroline Noakes level of ignorance there. I imagine if you were a female serving a sentence in a female prison you would mind if a person with a penis (aka a man) was in the same prison. Sex matters. It’s idiotic to think it doesn’t.

Well bloody hell 57% it is

^^Women can and are also assaulted by other women, don't apply non prison statistics to prison. From that perspective, having a penis doesn't mean that a person (I am not talking about this particular disgusting waste of air) is any more or less likely to assault someone than someone without a penis.

That’s just absolute rubbish. Of course a person with a penis is more likely to assault someone than a person without - that’s why people with penises are not meant to share prisons with people who do not have penises. Ffs.

I have absolute faith in the updated numbers that KPSS have provided.

So he’s not transexual he’s a transvestite? He should be in a male prison then fucking POS

What difference does it make whether it's a man or a woman that allows themselves "to be penetrated by a dog" -

I'd put money on it being the other way around which - to me - makes it even more horrific.

@thickthighs73

So he’s not transexual he’s a transvestite? He should be in a male prison then fucking POS

Stonewall's definition of trans includes cross dressers (transvestite is an older term meaning the same thing). From their website -

'Trans
An umbrella term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.

Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.'

As Stonewall are a major advisory body for a huge number of organisations, through their Diversity Champion Scheme, they will be advising that this person is trans.

I don’t need a lecture thank you! I’m not being ignorant, I’m well aware. He’s not trans he is a POS of shit using that to avoid men’s prison. As someone else said how convenient he suddenly identifies as a woman.

Perhaps I should have said a cross dresser to make the point I was trying to make clearer.

@MorningStarling

Yes, YABU "to be horrified that this might be reported and recorded as a woman's crime and may serve time in a woman's prison?"

What difference does it make whether it's a man or a woman that allows themselves "to be penetrated by a dog" - either way it's fucking disgusting and the offender should be locked up. I honestly don't understand the fuss over whether a crime is attributed to a male or a female - a rape victim is still a rape victim, a sexual assault victim is still a sexual assault victim, the gender of the attacker doesn't change that.

It also doesn't matter if this offender ends up in a female prison as far as I'm concerned - as long as they are taken out of society then all is good. Any prisoner (male or female, in any prison) who is a threat to staff or other inmates should be placed in isolation anyway.

You think a paedophile with a penis who has sex with dogs should be locked in a cell with a young woman who is in for shoplifting or similar typical female crimes?

Go and bang your fucking head off the wall in the hope of resetting the 'thinking on' switch. Christ, you make me embarrassed for our species.

@thickthighs73 it wasn't intended as a lecture. Lots of people don't know the extent to which the umbrella has been expanded.

@crispsarny

mumsnet censoring the truth ffs

Wouldn't be the first time.

I wonder why you couldn't add a poll?

YANBU

And I also find it extremely convenient that he has decided that he 'identifies as a woman' between being charged and the trail but i don't think males should be in the female estate regardless.

@thickthighs73

I don’t need a lecture thank you! I’m not being ignorant, I’m well aware. He’s not trans he is a POS of shit using that to avoid men’s prison. As someone else said how convenient he suddenly identifies as a woman.

Not according to Stonewall. According to Stonewall the individual is trans.

@BeanyBops

It really feels like most people posting have no clue how prisons work or what they are actually like.

Women can and are also assaulted by other women, don't apply non prison statistics to prison. From that perspective, having a penis doesn't mean that a person (I am not talking about this particular disgusting waste of air) is any more or less likely to assault someone than someone without a penis.

A person sentenced to prison is risk assessed and if considered a risk of harm to someone else, would not be put in a position of being able to access said others. For example they could be isolated.

This risk assessment will take into consideration their history i.e. of sex offences.

It is unlikely that a pre operative trans person would be expected to share a cell with someone else.

This vile human beings 'transition' does seem suspect, I agree. But people are letting their disgust for this person spread to other trans people as if they are all the same and speaking about prison circumstances that are completely made up. It's just fuelling more trans hate.

Oh, another - 'women do it, too, you know' post. The apologist posts never stop, do they?

Who decides who's 'a true trans' and who's just playing the system then? Because according to Stonewall and the trans community's own definition, a trans person is anyone who says they are, full stop, hashtag 'no debate'.

I do believe there are some who don't identify as trans and who are just using it to gain an easier sentence or access to vulnerable women (though when women warned that predatory men would use self identification to game the system this way we were told it was nonsense). But I also believe that there will be a significant number who genuinely identify as transwomen (however you define that) who are violent sexual offenders; how could it be otherwise given that transwomen are biologically male and retain male rates of offending? Those attempting to downplay the very real risks to women by saying that no 'true transwoman' is a risk are utterly delusional.

@Rina66

Give him the choice, if you really want to identify as a woman, we'll help you by rendering your penis unusable, as a woman you won't need it. If that's not a acceptable and as you've proved children, animals and women aren't safe around you, you're going to a male prison.

This man is abusing the system and it's insulting to true trans gender individuals and all that they've fought so hard for.

Two points: castration, chemical or otherwise, does not stop the desire to be a sex offender. All that it means is that the offender must resort to using objects which can be more dangerous to the victim.

Second - there is no such thing as "true trans gender individuals". People are trans if they say they are. End of story. And don't complain to me - complain to Stonewall.