AIBU to be horrified? (content warning: sex crimes)

[Aromatica]

I've read about this case where John Ernest Goodier has been charged with bestiality, child pornography, drug possession and not sticking to his sex offenders conditions.

He recently goes by the name Claire. This paper refers to him as a man but many of the others refer to him as a woman.
www.northwichguardian.co.uk/news/19682778.northwich-man-admits-sex-dog/

AIBU to be horrified that this might be reported and recorded as a woman's crime and may serve time in a woman's prison?

(Yes I did post this before but requested it was deleted, so I could post again with a poll. In the interim, the ability to add a poll has gone and I can't see any polls in AIBU. Peculiar 🤔)

mumsnet censoring the truth ffs

It is not transphobic to acknowledge that transwomen commit crime at the same rates as 'cis' men. Of course not all trans people are like that, just as not all 'cis' man are like that. But enough cis men ARE like it that most people recognise the need for single sex prisons, women's refuges, single sex changing rooms and hospital wards. Transwomen continue to follow that male pattern of offending; if women need safe spaces away from cis men they need safe spaces away from transwomen. I find it horrifying that people are so desperate to be seen as inclusive and supportive that they will jump through hoops to deny reality.

@BeanyBops

It really feels like most people posting have no clue how prisons work or what they are actually like.

Women can and are also assaulted by other women, don't apply non prison statistics to prison. From that perspective, having a penis doesn't mean that a person (I am not talking about this particular disgusting waste of air) is any more or less likely to assault someone than someone without a penis.

A person sentenced to prison is risk assessed and if considered a risk of harm to someone else, would not be put in a position of being able to access said others. For example they could be isolated.

This risk assessment will take into consideration their history i.e. of sex offences.

It is unlikely that a pre operative trans person would be expected to share a cell with someone else.

This vile human beings 'transition' does seem suspect, I agree. But people are letting their disgust for this person spread to other trans people as if they are all the same and speaking about prison circumstances that are completely made up. It's just fuelling more trans hate.

wait for it, 5,4,3,2,1

It also doesn't matter if this offender ends up in a female prison as far as I'm concerned - as long as they are taken out of society then all is good. Any prisoner (male or female, in any prison) who is a threat to staff or other inmates should be placed in isolation anyway

This person is not a threat to male staff or inmates, only female. They know that, and they know sex offenders of this kind won’t get an easy time in a male prison, whereas a female prison, whether it’s in isolation or not, will be significantly easier because women are socialised to “be kind”, and their physical strength will mean no staff or inmates will feel safe enough to challenge them. They would be able to overpower a female guard relatively easily. So even in isolation why should be put women simply trying to do their jobs at risk?

What if that prison officer is your sister or daughter? Would you still be happy with them having to take this prisoner their lunch, escort them from place to place, sit with them if they have to go to medical, observe them in the shower?

@BeanyBops. Have you got any data to support your assertion that females in prison are as likely to assault fellow inmates with the same level of violence as males? That doesn’t seem likely considering men (even those who wear a wig and a bit of lippy) are statistically much more violent than women.

This risk assessment will take into consideration their history i.e. of sex offences.

If this was [ever] the case, how do you explain Karen White?

Give him the choice, if you really want to identify as a woman, we'll help you by rendering your penis unusable, as a woman you won't need it. If that's not a acceptable and as you've proved children, animals and women aren't safe around you, you're going to a male prison.

This man is abusing the system and it's insulting to true trans gender individuals and all that they've fought so hard for.

''A person sentenced to prison is risk assessed and if considered a risk of harm to someone else, would not be put in a position of being able to access said others. For example they could be isolated.
This risk assessment will take into consideration their history i.e. of sex offences.''
@BeanyBops You think thats how prisons work, but the MOJ has admitted it is not the case if the person identifies as trans, as they use the risk ax tool intended for women.
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1410929146503614464.html

Also, a man who has not yet been convicted of sex offenses cannot be correctly risk assessed, and given the low rate of convictions this is a high risk.
This means that women must be harmed in prison before action can be taken to remove a male offender, which is the opposite of safeguarding.

This is a dangerous sexual deviant and they should never be allowed access to any single sex female spaces, whether that’s prison, hospital or public toilets. They will continue to present a risk to women, children and animals ffs. Anyone who is fine with them being put in a woman’s prison needs their head examined

I would also add that other paraphilias in addition to bestiality and paedophilia include autogynephilia (being sexually aroused by the thought of being a woman) but I expect that will be deleted. Paraphilias often are multiple rather than just one single deviancy

Revolting crime, revolting person.

Who is investigating all these conveniently times transitions? Especially those transitions by sex offenders…

It's horrific. On the app so can't see a poll if you managed to set one up but there's no way these crimes should be recorded as women's crimes or that this person should be sent to women's prison

@MorningStarling

Yes, YABU "to be horrified that this might be reported and recorded as a woman's crime and may serve time in a woman's prison?"

What difference does it make whether it's a man or a woman that allows themselves "to be penetrated by a dog" - either way it's fucking disgusting and the offender should be locked up. I honestly don't understand the fuss over whether a crime is attributed to a male or a female - a rape victim is still a rape victim, a sexual assault victim is still a sexual assault victim, the gender of the attacker doesn't change that.

It also doesn't matter if this offender ends up in a female prison as far as I'm concerned - as long as they are taken out of society then all is good. Any prisoner (male or female, in any prison) who is a threat to staff or other inmates should be placed in isolation anyway.

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YANBU OP…..

Just pointing out (in case it's missed amidst the horror at the other crimes) that this person already has 2 convictions for possessing indecent images of children. So is a long standing sex offender / paedophile as well.

@WabbitsAndWeasels

I think this situation is difficult, I'm absolutely fine with people being trans and using the spaces that reflect that provided they're being used correctly. However multiple crimes were committed here while they were identifying as a man, I think if it comes out they'd already approached their GP/therapist about identifying as female prior to this there should maybe be slightly different considerations (although I'm still torn). It does seem as though some people try to identify differently in order to receive a lesser sentence (if that's even true) or to be in a less violent/'easier' area in prison and it seems like this could potentially be the case here.

Thankfully these types of cases are rare although we do tend to hear lots about them when they occur. A trans person is no more likely to commit a crime than any other person however some people will claim the 'protection' of being trans (normally a trans woman able to access a women's prison) in criminal cases.

I think you are trying to be nice.

“Women can and are also assaulted by other women, don't apply non prison statistics to prison. From that perspective, having a penis doesn't mean that a person (I am not talking about this particular disgusting waste of air) is any more or less likely to assault someone than someone without a penis.”

That is just not true. Men commit over 90% of crime, sexual assaults etc. I think most of them will have a penis. They don’t suddenly stop assaulting when they are in a prison or wearing lipstick and a wig.

Women can and are also assaulted by other women, don't apply non prison statistics to prison. From that perspective, having a penis doesn't mean that a person (I am not talking about this particular disgusting waste of air) is any more or less likely to assault someone than someone without a penis.

A male punch has 165 x more power than a female punch, so being physically assaulted by a male person will cause far more harm than being assaulted by a woman. Not to mention the difference in strength being able to hold them back.

Being sexually assaulted by another women can't get you pregnant.

Men commit 98% of all sex crime and 75% of all violent crime so having a penis definitely makes someone more likely to commit violent crime.

Womens prisons don't even have the same higher security levels as mens jails, do they? Which is pretty clear acknowledgment that overall even within prison populations there's a difference in the levels of violence between the sexes.

I expect you mean 165% more power, ie 1.65 x more power.

I was thinking that ... I bloody well hope so!

A trans person is no more likely to commit a crime than any other person
Transwomen aka males are just as likely to commit violence as any other males, which is far more likely than women.
Curiously however, 48% of transwomen who are in prison are there for sex offenses, no one has really ever wanted to talk about that much.....

@nauticant

I expect you mean 165% more power, ie 1.65 x more power.

Even with roughly uniform levels of fitness, the males' average power during a punching motion was 162% greater than females', with the least-powerful man still stronger than the most powerful woman

Yeah sorry

Still a lot though!

Not an insignificant amount though is it. Even my skinny teenager is stronger than me now. Male individuals strength is often forgotten about or downplayed in these situations but it’s of huge relevance, along with having a penis. Outward appearance makes no difference in reality with regards to risk