To not comply...?

[Largethighsbadeyes]

...if the government imposes restrictions over Christmas, given what we now know happened last Christmas with parties at downing street.

The possibility of this is rumour at the moment and hadn't been confirmed but I'm interested to see how others are feeling.

By restrictions I mean rule of 6 indoors for Christmas day or even no mixing of households for Christmas eve, Christmas day, boxing day.

I will not comply. I cannot do that to my child who is an only child and whose grandad is dying. He wants to be with extended (but very close) family at Christmas, as do I.

If we all test negative the day before we will be carrying on as normal regardless of the rules (all adults triple vaccinated)

YABU - I will follow the restrictions if brought in over Christmas

YANBU - i will not follow restrictions if brought in over Christmas

Don't be moaning when the schools close and you are back to home schooling then!

Well said. Having had so much disruption already, surely education must be a high priority now.

Last year we complied to every restriction. This year both my and DH are saying fuck it. We're seeing people, shopping and drinking in pubs. We do mask up when needed, careful about distancing and use hand sanitizers but we're not going to be locking ourselves away indoors. We've both had all the jabs.

I'll comply, because I believe that a lockdown would probably protect the NHS and education if it gives the people who have been boosted time to develop their immunity. Otherwise, it seems to me that it's spreading so fast that all the people who have been jabbed during this massive drive would be highly likely to catch it anyway before the vaccine kicks in anyway. I would change my tune if it went on any longer than a few weeks unless I can see a real benefit to it.

I think it's a bit unfair to demonise people on either side of the argument tbh. There are valid arguments for and against. A lockdown would be financially disastrous for my family, and I share the same worries about mental health and the risk to children and vulnerable adults as posters who are against lockdown. However, I think the effects of closed schools because there are too many staff isolating, and reduced capacity within the NHS, are probably just as dangerous. We are being given the choice between two shit things, so it's hard to say what's right!

@Suspiciousmind20

I will do what the scientists advise and I’ll bear in mind my colleagues working on the frontline. I’m not going to join the lowest common denominator just because they are in government. Just like I won’t have a bunch of children I then don’t parent. Just like I won’t misuse tax payers money for my own and my friends enrichment. Just like I won’t lie. I won’t steal. I won’t take unnecessary risks with the health and safety of those I’m responsible for. Because, unlike members of the current government I have an ounce of integrity and care about more than my own financial status and ego.

👏👏👏👏👏

We will, as one person we're seeing is ECV and we won't risk them (they would be complying too, to protect themselves). Although it feels like we're not making much difference, we passed a few bars yesterday packed full of people shoulder to shoulder (obviously no masks as drinking), so it'll spread quickly anyway, I imagine. Still, I don't want to contribute to it.

@BigYellowHat

Just because other people did it, it surely doesn’t make it the right thing for you to do? Do you want to hasten your granddad’s death by giving him covid?

Are you referring to the terminally ill grandad referenced in the OP? If I had a terminally ill relative who understood the risks but was asking to spend potentially their last Christmas with some relatives, no way would I insist they didn’t.

That’s a totally different situation to saying “fuck it, let’s have a massive party because Boris did.”

Education is not a high priority, which is why I will continue to see my family if they wish. We have no sensible mitigations and get slagged off incessantly on here. I'm triple jabbed but that's by luck, I was never prioritised for a vaccine. If Omicron is as contagious as we think, I will get Covid in January so I will see my family now, while I can.

I will follow the way of sense outlined by @SickAndTiredAgain there.

Fantastic username for these circumstances though. I am more furious about the way these variants are finding us so quickly despite all the restrictions ordinary people face, and the way people were still flying in and out of the U.K. - in their millions ffs - even during that first and strictest of lockdowns. Never mind the damn parties.

It is very clear to me that the excuse for leaders we have in this godforsaken country just take the piss out of all of us. Whatever colour tie they wear (and most will be wearing ties, being men).

If there was another pandemic, with an even more fatal disease, it would not be stopped either. The jollies of the super rich are far more important than our lives.

@Suspiciousmind20

I will do what the scientists advise and I’ll bear in mind my colleagues working on the frontline. I’m not going to join the lowest common denominator just because they are in government. Just like I won’t have a bunch of children I then don’t parent. Just like I won’t misuse tax payers money for my own and my friends enrichment. Just like I won’t lie. I won’t steal. I won’t take unnecessary risks with the health and safety of those I’m responsible for. Because, unlike members of the current government I have an ounce of integrity and care about more than my own financial status and ego.

I'd vote for you x

[quote phishy]@sst1234

Sure you were. Perhaps you may try asking the poster who started the thread about breaking self isolation as her mental health is shot to bits. She is absolutely at breaking point.

You’ve literally made all that up, OP never said any of that.

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Read the thread. It was a a reply to another poster who is basically a lockdown enthusiast and laughing at anyone who won’t comply. Despite the well documented difficulties people are having. Like I say, read the thread. It helps.

We will be seeing our various parents and siblings regardless of any rule changes on 25th, 26th and 27th. Were all local so no real travel required. We're all triple jabbed except for my two children (who are too young for vaccines or they'd have had them) and we have chosen to not mix with anyone else in the lead up to Christmas to ensure as far as we can that they don't pick it up from anywhere. School broke up midweek. We have no elderly relatives left and everyone is in good health (parents all all under 65 too).

Other than going to the supermarket we won't be mixing prior to Christmas and we adults will all LFT before we mix.

Obviously if anyone develops symptoms we will PCR test and follow the rules and isolate if needed.

After the 27th, we will reassess, but I expect as long as we all stick to not mixing widely we will continue to see each other. I suppose we've formed a sort of bubble ourselves.

Most adults are sensible enough to make their own decisions.

Most people I know have had it. It is quite hard to tell people who have had it and had three vaccinations to not see anyone. It was easier to get people to comply before because they were scared. Now it isn't really the unknown. If the government wants people to 'protect the NHS THEY really need to spell out how a whole family who has already had covid recently will protect anyone by not seeing their family. Because I think many are struggling to make the connection.

My dad looks like he has aged 20 years over covid - mis-management of his cancer which had been in remission has meant he’s needed radiotherapy and it’s really taken it out of him. He’s writing down all his life stories to share with his grandsons as I have a feeling he thinks this Christmas might be his last. The government can fuck off if they think I won’t see him over Christmas - they were happy for me to keep working in a school with 10 children off with COVID in my class so I don’t trust that they have my best interests at heart.

@Stompythedinosaur

Two wrongs don't make a right.

The best way to express disgust at rules breaking last Christmas is to never vote for those individuals again, not to engage in equally bad behaviour.

But it's not about 'tit for tat', I will be seeing my family this Christmas whatever rules are in place. I would be saying this even if nothing had gone on in Downing Street. Come to think of it, I said and did it last year (albeit not the extended family), despite what rules Drakeford imposed. Life's too short to stay locked up.

I will however continue wearing masks and avoiding crowded spaces because neither measure is difficult for me to follow. I've had my booster.

Whoever wrote the sneery post with all the lol's and lmao's, wise up. No, I don't want to wear a party hat and get drunk, I'm no fucking torie!

I have a 100 year old relative, another who's waiting on the results of tests to do with their brain tumour. Both are triple jabbed. These family members may not have long left on this earth, and have already said they would rather die of covid having spent time with their loved ones, than live through another lockdown, lonely and scared. I'll not be avoiding my family again, on government orders, especially not a government that says do as I say, not as I do.

No, but I didn't last year either.

*I also have another relative who I was terrified would become mentally unwell, due to the impossed isolation last time. They aren't clinically vulnerable, so I would rather they broke the rules and caught covid, than killed themselves in despair!

I will be seeing family over Christmas regardless of what measures are put in place.

We've all had our boosters, none of us are clinically vulnerable fortunately, we all test regularly and avoid contact if ill. People should use their judgement and do what's right for their personal circumstances and not judge others who choose differently.

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And yes, we will be sensible, continue to wear face masks out and about, in shops etc, disinfect groceries, keep hands clean, take regular lft's.

My plans are set, the government can go fuck itself if they think I'm changing plans on their say so.

@sst1234

Read the thread. It was a a reply to another poster who is basically a lockdown enthusiast and laughing at anyone who won’t comply. Despite the well documented difficulties people are having. Like I say, read the thread. It helps.

No, you said the OP said that. She didn’t. Read the OP.

I really don't understand this mindset. Yes it's shit but for one second take a moment to think of those who can't make the 'choice'

E.g hospitality workers who have to go to work and serve people who are clearly unwell, those medical professionals who have worked their arses off but will be effected by YOUR actions, teachers who have felt with children who have symptoms yet their parents insist their fine just to be met with a positive test just before Christmas.

You need to get a grip and look beyond yourself. Your mental health is no more important than those listed above who can't make the decision to avoid your selfish acts

@ToastofLandon

I will be seeing family over Christmas regardless of what measures are put in place.

We've all had our boosters, none of us are clinically vulnerable fortunately, we all test regularly and avoid contact if ill. People should use their judgement and do what's right for their personal circumstances and not judge others who choose differently.

What about those clinically vulnerable people you will then encounter at the shops, if you have kids their teachers etc do they not Mayer?

E.g hospitality workers who have to go to work and serve people who are clearly unwell, those medical professionals who have worked their arses off but will be effected by YOUR actions, teachers who have felt with children who have symptoms yet their parents insist their fine just to be met with a positive test just before Christmas.

But I am one of those people. It's become glaringly clear that I do not matter, I'm not even a vaccine priority. That is precisely why I will not be told what to do again.