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To not comply...?

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Largethighsbadeyes · 18/12/2021 22:42

...if the government imposes restrictions over Christmas, given what we now know happened last Christmas with parties at downing street.

The possibility of this is rumour at the moment and hadn't been confirmed but I'm interested to see how others are feeling.

By restrictions I mean rule of 6 indoors for Christmas day or even no mixing of households for Christmas eve, Christmas day, boxing day.

I will not comply. I cannot do that to my child who is an only child and whose grandad is dying. He wants to be with extended (but very close) family at Christmas, as do I.

If we all test negative the day before we will be carrying on as normal regardless of the rules (all adults triple vaccinated)

YABU - I will follow the restrictions if brought in over Christmas

YANBU - i will not follow restrictions if brought in over Christmas

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bluetongue · 19/12/2021 01:13

@PieMistee

I will get very fucked off at the unvaccinated if they close schools as a result of their selfishness/stupidity. I was ok with hesitancy at first but now they need to get a fucking grip.
This. Sadiq Khan said most of the patients in hospital because of Covid (as opposed to testing positive while there for other reason) are unvaccinated. Why the fuck are we still protecting these people from themselves? Yes, it’s going to stretch the health system and be terrible for those working in but why on earth should the majority who have done the right thing and been vaccinated pay the price for other people’s stupidity and pigheadedness?
Tealightsandd · 19/12/2021 01:14

[quote KilmordenCastle]@tealightsandd I really think that you ought to move to one of these countries that you worship because of their covid response. There you can and slag off the Brits to your hearts content and nobody will mind.[/quote]
I'd love to. If you can get me the visa (and persuade DP to move) I'd be delighted to emigrate. I have no desire to slag off Brits though. I'm a Brit myself Smile Criticise British policy, yes.

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Tealightsandd · 19/12/2021 01:16

The problem with the unvaccinated filling the hospitals is, it doesn't just affect them. It means anyone needing non Covid care (cancer, mental health, run over by a car) faces delayed treatment.

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Tealightsandd · 19/12/2021 01:23

It's time for vaccine passes. Bookings in France (previously one of the world's most vaccine refusing countries) shot up after they were introduced.

Better having mitigations - masks worn properly, ventilation, vaccine passes - than long or repeated lockdowns. It might be too late to prevent a circuit breaker at this point but for the future we need to choose mitigation as first choice over restrictions.

There is light at the end of the tunnel. It's just unfortunately a long one. Longer term thank goodness we'll have wider availability of the antivirals and monolunal antibodies. Plus more of the world vaccinated, and more knowledge.

Mouseonmychair · 19/12/2021 01:24

Look East for a lesson in basic pandemic infection control that allows a life closer to normal.

Absolutely and this is why I think western democratic rights of the individual over society will mean we will fall well behind the far Eastern countries who amazingly had no issues with wearing a proper mask with virtually no exceptions, or isolating covid patients away from the home and generally thinking more about the rights of the state rather than the rights of the individual. They have quarantined and handled this pandemic well whereas in liberal Europe we have floundered around demanding an end to restrictions.

Tealightsandd · 19/12/2021 01:24

What part of the jab doesn't stop transmission don't you get

It doesn't completely stop it but studies suggest that it does reduce it.

BoredZelda · 19/12/2021 01:27

2) I have had medical negligence on several occasions in the past year. My problem was never getting in front of medical staff it was always them being arrogant and not listening to patients because they had read some textbooks and seen statistics. This leads me to know lockdowns didn't protect the NHS

If you think not locking down in March 2020 would have made any of that better, you are a fool. The issue was caused by Covid, and lockdown meant you at least had some access to services, as poor as it allegedly was for you.

WakeyWakey123 · 19/12/2021 01:28

Honestly, I think you’d be in good company at this point if you didn’t comply.

Tiptoearound · 19/12/2021 01:31

I love reading this nonsense on here

TheCanyon · 19/12/2021 01:34

I don't get these threads, what do you want? A pay on the back? Oh you rebel!

CoffeeMuggins · 19/12/2021 01:35

Control what? A minor illness for many? We just need to cut the hysteria, stop the scaremongering and live with it

A minor illness for many. Not minor for a big enough amount that the NHS gets overwhelmed unless something changes. When that happens, getting treatment for other things become near impossible unless you are well off enough that you can go private. I don't know about you but I am terrified of needing any type of treatment in hospital right now. They need to choose the most critically ill, which will be covid patients as well as people having strokes, heart attacks and being in accidents etc. Anything else will likely have to be put on the backlog unless we get the numbers down significantly.

Also, just because you may be okay getting this virus, that doesn't mean you get to minimise how dangerous it is for some.

KilmordenCastle · 19/12/2021 01:35

I have no desire to slag off Brits though. I'm a Brit myself Criticise British policy, yes

Earlier in this thread you said that the people who are not willing to comply with another lockdown are making this pandemic last longer. That's blaming people isn't it? Not policy?

I don't think that there are many people who think that the government have handled this pandemic well. Everyone that I have spoken to thinks that they have been an utter shambles. That (I think) is something that we all agree on.

But I cannot stand the lack of understanding and empathy that this pandemic has brought out in people. I can understand the point of view of those who would support another lockdown. They are worried about themselves or their loved ones catching covid, worried about not being able to get treatment if the NHS is overwhelmed, worried about essential services being majorly disrupted. I get it, I really do.

But (and this is to everyone that is so angry with those that won't comply with further restrictions) do you not get our point of view? Do you not understand that we are desperately worried about the impact of further restrictions on our children? Worried about our mental health? Worried about putting food on the table? Can you not see why we don't want to put our dc's through not seeing friends and family again? It's not about partying on for the vast majority of us. It's about keeping ourselves and our loved ones sane. How can you not see that?

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Donotlie · 19/12/2021 01:39

@Mouseonmychair

Look East for a lesson in basic pandemic infection control that allows a life closer to normal.

Absolutely and this is why I think western democratic rights of the individual over society will mean we will fall well behind the far Eastern countries who amazingly had no issues with wearing a proper mask with virtually no exceptions, or isolating covid patients away from the home and generally thinking more about the rights of the state rather than the rights of the individual. They have quarantined and handled this pandemic well whereas in liberal Europe we have floundered around demanding an end to restrictions.

Coming from a Communist country and your words totally terrify me. North Korea's covid case is zero by the way.
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CoffeeMuggins · 19/12/2021 02:22

If we need to lockdown to protect a service that is designed to supposedly protect us, then the problem is the NHS rather than covid itself. The protect the NHS leading to a dystopian future of years of jabs and lockdowns is something I would quite happily sign out of NHS treatment to avoid ( they have always been fucking awful from my experience anyway)

Okay. The NHS is shit. This country has been voting for the tories for a long time and we are now paying the price for that.
We are heading for a crisis right now. What do we do to fix the NHS within the next few weeks so that it can continue operating well enough?

rubydoobydoo · 19/12/2021 02:44

I'll be using my own common sense this year. I was working Christmas day last year and the was the only day families were allowed to meet so missed out on that one (normally go to my parents a few days after and celebrate then instead!)

This year I'm working Christmas day again and planning to visit my parents on 27th whatever happens, won't make any difference if we go a couple of days later whether the bring in the whe banning household mixing or not(and it wouldn't have last year either we just weren't allowed to).

AngryApple · 19/12/2021 06:28

I don’t see what anyone can do if businesses are forced to shut and everything is cancelled. I’ll see people who are comfortable with seeing me as I did that last time also. I didn’t go to parties as I don’t really go to parties anyway, but I certainly met up with people who were struggling and I’d not think twice about doing it again. My dad is also now is now dying after being diagnosed with an extremely aggressive terminal cancer and has just months left. We were cheated of time together first time without realising. Not happening this time.

I wear a mask, I keep my distance, I’m triple vaccinated. This now isn’t about the virus killing those of us who have done our bit. This is now about protecting the 10 million who haven’t been vaccinated who could easily clog the NHS when it’s being run on skeleton staffing because of the isolation rules.

AngryApple · 19/12/2021 06:34

Also…we know this thing spreads fast. The unvaccinated could get majorly hit. Imagine a loved one being in a road accident or having a heart attack and being taken to A&E and being told “sorry no beds and staff due to Covid”. Because this is where it’s heading.

But you can’t force people to take the vaccination.

carrythecan · 19/12/2021 06:49

@Tealightsandd

It's time for vaccine passes. Bookings in France (previously one of the world's most vaccine refusing countries) shot up after they were introduced.

Better having mitigations - masks worn properly, ventilation, vaccine passes - than long or repeated lockdowns. It might be too late to prevent a circuit breaker at this point but for the future we need to choose mitigation as first choice over restrictions.

There is light at the end of the tunnel. It's just unfortunately a long one. Longer term thank goodness we'll have wider availability of the antivirals and monolunal antibodies. Plus more of the world vaccinated, and more knowledge.

They did, and now they are having a surge in cases.

www.globalbankingandfinance.com/frances-macron-to-address-the-nation-on-tuesday-as-covid-cases-surge/

We need to stop this madness of thinking that more vaccination is the answer. The vast majority of over 70's and those with high risk factors for Covid are fully vaccinated. We need to let young, healthy people get the virus and build up natural immunity. There are more vaccinated people in hospital with Covid than unvaccinated. It is a complete myth that the unvaccinated are filling all the hospital beds.