To not comply...?

[Largethighsbadeyes]

...if the government imposes restrictions over Christmas, given what we now know happened last Christmas with parties at downing street.

The possibility of this is rumour at the moment and hadn't been confirmed but I'm interested to see how others are feeling.

By restrictions I mean rule of 6 indoors for Christmas day or even no mixing of households for Christmas eve, Christmas day, boxing day.

I will not comply. I cannot do that to my child who is an only child and whose grandad is dying. He wants to be with extended (but very close) family at Christmas, as do I.

If we all test negative the day before we will be carrying on as normal regardless of the rules (all adults triple vaccinated)

YABU - I will follow the restrictions if brought in over Christmas

YANBU - i will not follow restrictions if brought in over Christmas

@BitterTits but others in your place (a few close friends and family members included) do not feel like that they are scared and don't want to 'fuck the rules' and end up with covid

I won't be complying, today us our last day of isolating after having covid. I'm doing what I like over Xmas..I have just come off antidepressants after having to start them last February after home schooling and working from home got too much. I'm not putting my or my children's mental health at risk, thats my main worry not covid.

Do the people comparing mmr's and the like, to covid jabs, realise that mmr's etc were tested a lot more thoroughly, before being administered to the general public? Covid vaccinations are fairly new, most were authorised initially on an emergency/temporary basis, bioNtech had to submit an emergency use authorization request in the US, and they had to seek approval from the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency here in the UK. Other countries approved the use of vaccinations on similar public health emergency grounds.

It's impossible to know yet what long term side effects may occur, it's unprecedented for a vaccine to go so quickly from development to such widespread use.

I'm double jabbed, but I do sometimes wonder what if it causes issues in the future, and I've let myself be damaged for the "greater good". And now they want to give me another jab, and possibly another again, in 6 months.

[quote squidpig]@BitterTits but others in your place (a few close friends and family members included) do not feel like that they are scared and don't want to 'fuck the rules' and end up with covid [/quote]
I don't want to 'fuck the rules' either, but I will see my family. Come January I will again be surrounded by everyone else's. What's the point in shutting myself away now? Obviously I'm not going to force my company on anyone, but my gran will want to see me (she believes she won't be here next year anyway) and my dad was treated like shit by his employer as CEV (not furloughed) and has no interest in rules.

I'm not a clubber. I might go to the pub once or twice and I quite fancy a trip to the cinema. Small freedoms that I will not give up for as long as I'm not protected at work. I'll happily wear a mask and am finally triple vaccinated.

"E.g hospitality workers who have to go to work and serve people who are clearly unwell"

I'm one of those people, was furloughed on 80% pay, and struggled to make ends meet. If there's another lock down, and they close the hospitality sector again, and can't afford furlough this time around, my boss won't be able to pay me. I'll have to go on benefits, which could take weeks to apply for and receive. When I go on benefits, I'll have to sell my car, cancel my broadband, and cut down on food. Electricity and gas prices are through the roof, so central heating would become a luxury. If they close schools, and banned kids from playing I'd, I'd have to watch my son struggle without any contact from his friends again.

Frankly, we're young and healthy, I'd rather we caught covid.

"but others in your place (a few close friends and family members included) do not feel like that they are scared and don't want to 'fuck the rules' and end up with covid"

Then they should comply, and stay away from those of us who no longer wish to?

The best way to express disgust at rules breaking last Christmas is to never vote for those individuals again, not to engage in equally bad behaviour.

A thousand times this.

Next time John from No. 8 has to take a long train journey after some bad news, I trust he'll have strong support from those on here - when he does not comply with the smoking ban. He needs a fag for his stress (but he's also aware his smoking helps the economy via smoking taxes).

All the countries that took good proactive infection control mitigation measures have had lower death rates, better access to non Covid healthcare, fewer and/or shorter lockdowns. And healthier economies.

Are you really comparing someone wanting to smoke on a train, because they're stressed, to people wanting to make the most of the time they have left with elderly or terminally ill loved ones, support family and friends with mental health issues, who don't want to watch their children become depressed because of social isolation, or who fear financial insolvency, etc?

Really?

*Children to become, goodness knows what other typos slipped in there.

@SoItWas

Are you really comparing someone wanting to smoke on a train, because they're stressed, to people wanting to make the most of the time they have left with elderly or terminally ill loved ones, support family and friends with mental health issues, who don't want to watch their children become depressed because of social isolation, or who fear financial insolvency, etc?

Really?

Smoking 🚬 is a major stress reliever. And it's well known that people suffering mental health issues make up a disproportionately high number of smokers.

And, the economic link... Backed by studies, smoking is a net national economic gain.

But yes it's morally wrong that people have been unable to spend time with loved ones, particularly the very ill, because of the lack of mitigation measures. Other countries took proactive infection control, and families there have been able to more safely see each other. CEV and CV family included

Education is not a high priority, which is why I will continue to see my family if they wish

I disagree. Children have missed so much already and schools are still trying to catch up even now. All schools and children have been significantly affected, but disadvantaged children particularly so.

In secondary schools, attainment dropped by 6 months for the most advantaged children, a year for the least. Primary children's attainment has dropped behind by around a year for more advantaged children, even more so for the less advantaged.

If schools are asked to close again, and parents have to home-educate again instead of working, that will reduce staff levels everywhere, including hospitals, GP surgeries, care homes and visiting carers. You may be able to visit your elderly relative but if they don't get the care they need, it is counterproductive.

Education now is also required to create the doctors, scientists, nurses, teachers, virologists, carers, key workers, too many others to mention, and informed citizens of the near future.

Of course we all want to see our elderly and infirm relatives. I have been unable to see mine anywhere near as much as usual. However, children being cut off from friends and social contact for weeks or months is also not something to take lightly.

But of course on an unrelated note, if we really cared about education - particularly equal access to opportunities and life chances for children, we'd tackle the public health housing and homelessness emergency. Homelessness and insecure housing impact hugely on children's life chances. Returning to Covid, it would also have meant far fewer vulnerable. Socioeconomic risks, including overcrowded and poor housing - the interconnection with poor physical health and likelihood of developing an underlying condition - shouldn't be underestimated.

The stuff about how this is the fault of the unvaccinated is bullshit. My sister works in a hospital and the majority of people admitted for Covid are jabbed. Over 80% of the population is double jabbed. An even higher percentage in vulnerable groups. It doesn’t stop you catching or spreading Covid. It’s not people who are unvaccinated who are causing this virus to spread - it’s normal and inevitable for it to spread. It’s just a convenient way of finding a scapegoat who you can blame for the whole shit-show.
Also people have the right to bodily autonomy. Nobody should ever be able to force a competent adult to have treatment they don’t want.

I have to say that if restrictions/rules are put in place either before or after xmas (or at any time) and any of my neighbours break the rule then I will absolutely be reporting it. Although it’s unlikely my neighbours will make that mistake again as they were caught previously & given a large fine plus the embarrassment of having the police turn up

@Tiptoearound

I have to say that if restrictions/rules are put in place either before or after xmas (or at any time) and any of my neighbours break the rule then I will absolutely be reporting it. Although it’s unlikely my neighbours will make that mistake again as they were caught previously & given a large fine plus the embarrassment of having the police turn up

I hope they tell you to get fucked.

Ontherebound34
Thankfully I couldn’t care less what they say or think about it

@Tiptoearound

Ontherebound34 Thankfully I couldn’t care less what they say or think about it

I meant the police 😂 But I hope the neighbours do too.

Ontherebound34

What a classy person you are, thankfully I don’t live around people like you, most of them know how to conduct themselves appropriately & those that don’t face the consequences

I'm not complying with any bullshit rules and it's got nothing to do with Boris partying.

I'm not complying. Luckily my neighbours aren't such twats that they'd report anyone for seeing their families.

I will not comply.

I've had 3 jabs, I wear a mask in shops etc.
I followed the rules the last 2 lockdowns.

Enough is enough. It's unvaccinated people filling up the hospitals while everyone else is left to rot basically.

Uk is 81% double vaccinated and soon will be 50%+ triple. We need to get on with life.

@Ontherebound34

The stuff about how this is the fault of the unvaccinated is bullshit. My sister works in a hospital and the majority of people admitted for Covid are jabbed. Over 80% of the population is double jabbed. An even higher percentage in vulnerable groups. It doesn’t stop you catching or spreading Covid. It’s not people who are unvaccinated who are causing this virus to spread - it’s normal and inevitable for it to spread. It’s just a convenient way of finding a scapegoat who you can blame for the whole shit-show. Also people have the right to bodily autonomy. Nobody should ever be able to force a competent adult to have treatment they don’t want.

But why are we constantly told that the vast majority of Covid patients in ICU are unvaccinated? Are you saying this isn't true? Because it is fact.

Btw I don't agree with mandatory vaccination either.

Tiptoearound

The only thing class has to do with it, is that the upper echelon are more likely to get away with breaching restrictions. "It's only a crime, if you get caught".

I hope if you wrongly report anyone (there are exceptions made in certain circumstances), you get done for wasting police time.

During one lockdown, my ex with drug and alcohol issues, tried to break into my home several times, until he was caught red handed. I 100% think he was intent on harming me, or wrecking the place. I had lots of relatives coming and going, I was terrified of being alone. Roughly 5-10 different police officers were in my home over the course of 5 days or so, until he was caught red handed and arrested in my garden. Every single one assured me that covid restrictions were clearly the least of my worries. Thankfully none of my neighbours missed the initial police visits, and reported me for having family round (for shits and giggles of course, because why else would anyone breach restrictions ).

My ex was socially isolated, so drinking alone at home, and drinking a lot more. He no longer had anyone checking in on him, or to help distract him from his substance abuse issues, was no longer able to attend AA sessions, counselling, or church. He isn't one for chatting over the phone, can't use/keep a smart phone, no access to computer facilities at the local library.

There were many like him, left to flounder. [Not excusing his behaviour, but I can see why his mental health was shot to pieces].

@Ceramide

Education is not a high priority, which is why I will continue to see my family if they wish

I disagree. Children have missed so much already and schools are still trying to catch up even now. All schools and children have been significantly affected, but disadvantaged children particularly so.

In secondary schools, attainment dropped by 6 months for the most advantaged children, a year for the least. Primary children's attainment has dropped behind by around a year for more advantaged children, even more so for the less advantaged.

If schools are asked to close again, and parents have to home-educate again instead of working, that will reduce staff levels everywhere, including hospitals, GP surgeries, care homes and visiting carers. You may be able to visit your elderly relative but if they don't get the care they need, it is counterproductive.

Education now is also required to create the doctors, scientists, nurses, teachers, virologists, carers, key workers, too many others to mention, and informed citizens of the near future.

Of course we all want to see our elderly and infirm relatives. I have been unable to see mine anywhere near as much as usual. However, children being cut off from friends and social contact for weeks or months is also not something to take lightly.

What I meant was that education has not been prioritised for investment to mitigate transmission. Teachers have not been prioritised for vaccines. That's why we're in a mess now and it's why there's no point in me shutting myself away from family over the Christmas holiday - education will not suddenly become the priority it should have been all along in January, and I will just have to deal with the fallout.