To not comply...?

[Largethighsbadeyes]

...if the government imposes restrictions over Christmas, given what we now know happened last Christmas with parties at downing street.

The possibility of this is rumour at the moment and hadn't been confirmed but I'm interested to see how others are feeling.

By restrictions I mean rule of 6 indoors for Christmas day or even no mixing of households for Christmas eve, Christmas day, boxing day.

I will not comply. I cannot do that to my child who is an only child and whose grandad is dying. He wants to be with extended (but very close) family at Christmas, as do I.

If we all test negative the day before we will be carrying on as normal regardless of the rules (all adults triple vaccinated)

YABU - I will follow the restrictions if brought in over Christmas

YANBU - i will not follow restrictions if brought in over Christmas

No comply here. Don't know anyone who still is.

So, because someone else had a party last year you won’t comply with restrictions? Nothing to do with not wanting COVID to spread any further or another lockdown? Riiight.

So presumably when your child hits another child and says “well, little Johnny hit someone else,” you don’t discipline them?

Right now we need to look at the facts as they are. Omicron is doubling every 2 days. However, right now the death rate is actually dropping, but we know from experience that the death rate is usually about 2 weeks behind the infection rate, therefore we won’t know for another 2 weeks whether omicron is more lethal or not. If we wait another 2 weeks then the figures will have increased even more, and if the strain is more lethal, the death rate will as well. Whereas if we seek to bring the spread under control we have the ability to limit the death rate as well before we have to bring in longer term restrictions to do so.

As for the antivaxx “what about feeling ill after the vaccine” brigade, did you vaccinate your children? Give them the baby jabs? MMR? Because if so you happily gave your children vaccines which caused them to feel ill for a few days afterwards, given feeling ill after childhood vaccines is almost a certainty, not serious illness, but fever, etc, which is why parents are always advised to give their DC calpol after their vaccines. But we don’t hear people crying for not vaccinating children because of it, because we know that childhood vaccines are for the greater good.

And I’m not talking about the twats who link MMR to autism and the like, I’m talking about every parent who vaccinates their baby in the knowledge their baby will likely be unwell for a few days afterwards. 3 baby vaccines isn’t it? In the space of 2 months? And then MMR a few months later? So if you’re prepared to put your child through feeling unwell after a vaccine, and that needs to happen because the vaccines are necessary, then why should you be different?

I’ve had all my vaccines incidentally without a single side effect. Actually I had a bruised arm after the 1st one but that was likely linked to the fact my INR (blood thickness) was out of range at the time. If I catch cOVID though I will almost certainly die if I haven’t been vaccinated. So a couple of days of feeling ill would be a small price to pay. And even if I were not vulnerable, a couple of days of illness post vaccine would be a small price to pay to avoid having someone else’s death on my conscience when I merrily spread COVID around. And yes, vaccines are proven to reduce transmission, even though they don’t prevent it altogether.

We all need to take responsibility for our own actions. I largely stuck to covid rules throughout including lockdowns because I could see it was there to protect the vulnerable and the NHS. There were some rules I didn't comply with and I'm happy with my decisions in that respect. I'm not changing my behaviour now just because others are behaving badly. All those who complied without question previously were deluded and those who now think blanket "non compliance" is some sort of middle finger to BJ are deluded. Make the decisions that are right for you and your family.

@sst1234

Sure you were. Perhaps you may try asking the poster who started the thread about breaking self isolation as her mental health is shot to bits. She is absolutely at breaking point.

You’ve literally made all that up, OP never said any of that.

You’ve literally made

Yes. I have a foretaste of it as I've been called in at short notice for an urgent medical procedure, had to do a PCR test beforehand and have to isolate in between. Of course I'm complying with that, though it it's a bloody nuisance with Christmas preparations, because I don't want the procedure to be postponed.

I wonder how many of the Nos would change their minds if there were clear consequences?

I can't see how they could attempt to impose restrictions now, which is presumably why whoever had that information leaked it when they did.

I wouldn't refuse to comply purely because the government are hypocritical pigs...the potential damage is too serious to make the decision based on the actions of people who deserve contempt. But I can't judge anyone who would. It is galling.

@Stompythedinosaur

Two wrongs don't make a right.

The best way to express disgust at rules breaking last Christmas is to never vote for those individuals again, not to engage in equally bad behaviour.

This.

I don't understand people saying politicians went to parties, therefore they're going to go to parties and potentially overwhelm the NHS .

Comply ,don't comply the virus doesn't care 🙄

@ChristmasWithBellsOn

I might not fully comply (I did last time...to the letter). But equally, I won't take the piss.

Eg I might have my parents over if we've all had LFTs, I might have my sister to visit (with LFTs), or visit a friend for a playdate.

I won't be hosting cheese and wine parties. Because I'm not a twat.

I don't care what you do.

But this attitude...has been pervasive at government level and in so many others.

I will continue to prioritise the things that are important to me.

But if other people have other priorities that I dont consider righteous, they're a twat.

Just because other people did it, it surely doesn’t make it the right thing for you to do? Do you want to hasten your granddad’s death by giving him covid?

I think you have to assess your own situation sensibly, rather than having a childish mindset of f boris f conservative. I think to needlessly put people at risk just to to make a point is utterly selfish

Interesting that the only 'not comply' example people can give us, is one which will put many many people at risk....and further the spread...... giving us all, themselves included, a greater chance of a full lockdown

@chaosrabbitland

im dyslexic so the fact you need to have your pathetic sarky dig says a lot about your mentality doesnt it ?

Yes it does

Im not dyslexic….just can’t be bothered

I think quite often its the resort of people with nothing interesting to say, says much more about them than you 💐

When you say potential lockdown? Can you link the news outlets that are reorient t this? Or is it just all over the CV19 boards on here where people have no more information than anyone on if there will be a lockdown or not…

I believe some countries are already imposing lockdowns (or very rigid restrictions). I believe it is almost inevitable that there will be a post Christmas lockdown in the UK, due to political pressure (from the international community and the opposition) and due to the continuing rise in infections (and these will rise very quickly after the Christmas period). So, we will enter 2022 in a very similar position to 2021, but we will be a lot more tired, the economy will be further even more drained and so on.

The good news could be that scientists will be developing a vaccine that is really effective against Omicron; the bad news could be that an even more contagious strain of the virus develops in one of the many areas where no vaccines have been given. And yes, some of us will comply with the lock down rules; others will not. How compliance will be enforced remains to be seen

I read somewhere that pandemics last about three years. Then, they tend to die out or simmer down. Maybe, we will see the end of the pandemic in 2022.

@Tiptoearound

I love reading this nonsense on here

I think its sad (i started reading the thread and I’ll finish 🙂)

Lots of posts are so extreme accusing people of being stupid and selfish

Or saying they are scared or sheep

Some posters (not all thankfully) have hunkered down on their ‘side’ and are just lashing out

(Not gonna lie…did find a poster saying ‘you’ll have to comply’, quite forgetting that seeing family, one person extra, not wearing masks etc are all considered non compliance and then trying to back track, quite funny)

I won't comply. I'll spend time with whichever members of my family are comfortable with doing so. I'm not especially sociable but I do hope to have a NYE get together.

I wouldn’t comply if they stopped us spending time together over Christmas. We’re taking tests before we leave and relying on all being triple vaccinated. The cost of not spending Christmas together again is too high.

I'm going to do what's best for my family, me and my mental health
I stuck with the rules religiously before and like nearly everyone else it's had a knock on effect
I'm not going to judge anyone for the choices they make

@chaosrabbitland

im not complying , im carrying on and visiting who i want over christmas and before and after , not wearing a mask now . refuse to do that again and im sure as not hell doing lft s tests , havent done one since covid began not starting now just because theres a new varient

You’re copying and pasting this on every CV thread to get a reaction, it’s getting tedious now.

So go mix with your families

Don't be moaning when the schools close and you are back to home schooling then! As well as queuing to get in Tesco.

There's nothing to 'comply' with yet anyway... just masks so far

YABU. I don't get the argument of 'Boris did this and should not have, so I will do the same'. Surely if you're against him you would do the opposite, not copy his behaviour?

Labour keep saying they agree with Tory policy on tackling COVID. It's a virus, not primarily about party politics. People ignoring lockdown is not going to affect Boris, or teach him a lesson. it will be the general public who suffer the consequences.

@xxxGirlCrushxxx

There's nothing to 'comply' with yet anyway... just masks so far

Which is why the OP said if…

I want this to be over so that my son can leave the house more than 10 minutes a day. CEV people for whom the vaccine has little effect are still trapped indoors.