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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to feel weird about my neighbour's comments about my son?

425 replies

pizzaallday · 18/12/2021 10:45

Hello,

I have a 16 month old and our neighbours are a married couple in their fifties.

They have three children, 26,28 and 32 and no grandchildren yet.

Ever since my son arrived, they have been doting over him.

Inviting him over, giving him food, playing with him.

We never leave him alone with them, either one of us or both of us is with him when he's invited over.

On the one hand I have absolutely no problem with them being so close to my son. The husband suffers from depression and doesn't work anymore and the wife has to work two jobs. They don't have it easy so I can understand how a toddler can bring light and joy to someone's life.

Let's call this couple Mr and Mrs Smith and my son is called Josh (names changed).

There are just some comments Mr Smith makes occasionally that I find cringeworthy.

For example:

  • He said when he was playing with him: "Oh Josh, I want to go to bed with you"
  • They knocked on our door in the evening and he said "Josh, I want to spend all night with you"
  • Last time we were at their house Mr Smith was playing with Josh. He then made a sawing motion at his ear and said: "I want to cut off your ear and make bacon off it".
  • The other day my husband left the house in the evening, because he had to go somewhere. Mr Smith was outside his house and he asked my husband: "Are you going to pick up Josh? (we send him to a childminder)" "I will come with you!"
  • Usually I pick him up from the childminder in the evening. When I arrive back home, Mr Smith usually sits in his car, because he has to pick up his wife from work. When he sees Josh, he either pulls his window down to shout his name or comes out to interact with him
  • Mr Smith has an alcohol problem as well. He drinks every evening, usually whiskey. In summer, when it was still warm at night, we often sat in our living room and heard Mr Smith singing in in the garden. It was obvious he was drunk and he was singing my son's name 😳 That has stopped now, either because it's too cold outside or perhaps because his wife asked him to drink less.

His wife always is very embarrassed when her husband makes those comments to my son and says "He doesn't mean it".

I know the comments are made in a certain context and I don't think Mr Smith is a pedophile.

Still, they give me a bad feeling and I feel like he is crossing boundaries he shouldn't.

It's very hard for me to know whether I am being unreasonable or not.

On the one hand they are a lovely couple with lovely children and are nice neighbours that we get on well with.

On the other hand his comments give me the creeps.

AIBU to feel this way?

OP posts:
CoastalWave · 18/12/2021 13:35

Never mind grooming your son, he's grooming you first.

Creepy. As. Fuck.

Cut contact now. Personally I"d be looking to move house. Beyond weird.

CoastalWave · 18/12/2021 13:36

(and ps not buying the generational comments thing. I'm nearly 50 and I don't believe any of my peers would make weird comments like this. The ear comment MAYBE made from someone in their 70's but not their 50's at all)

They are already far too doting on YOUR baby. You're the Mum - pack it in and remove access please.

LetterBug · 18/12/2021 13:40

I'm sorry but I think these kind of comments are meant as a way to seehow far you will be tolerated. I also think they are something to get off on, imagine, he says something clearly sexual to your son infront of you and gets away with it? I would actually consider moving house over this. I would also report the comments to the police and ask them of there is any record of other behaviour from him.
And I always roll my eyes at 'report him' on here but thats you're baby.
It definitely is sinister because the wife is trying to make excuses for it, meaning she also thinks its inappropriate and either she is embarrassed or trying to put it out of her mind that her husband is that way or she is in on it. Filthy behaviour i would ignore them and I certainly would consider moving away as soon as possible.
Don't let your child build a relationship with them.

My relative was that way and we didn't have a relationship until we were older. He touched our chests and my mum went off the rails and made him leave. But before that headed similar comments. The kinds that make you feel sick but it wouldn't happen to you, not your neighbour, not your child. The comments all revolve around taking your child to bed. Please. don't. be. polite.

Be RUDE be a bitch. fucking death stare that cunt.
Ignore them and if they ask why say I don't like the comments you have made about my child so leave us alone or I will report you to the police again. Watch him squirm. Sicko.

Oh and yes the relative was doing things to my mum as a child and she didn't want us having a relationship with him at first but after a few years she was worn down by people saying he's not like that, its not true and he's not like that anymore. she gave in and thank fully it didn't go any further than that again (because she stopped him) but he certainly was that way and even though she knew it because he did it to her, she felt bad thinking he was even though he WAS! Because its easier to look the other way maybe?
Its hard to admit? I don't know really but just trust your instincts.

MadameGazelleband · 18/12/2021 13:42

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MrsRussell · 18/12/2021 13:45

My mother is also an alcoholic and she started saying this sort of shit about my son when he was about nine: how he's got a lovely bum and how he could sleep all night in nana's bed, how he's the only man in her life, yadda yadda.
She hasn't seen him unsupervised since - three years ago - and she only sees him once a week for about an hour.
I'm /also/ sure she's not a paedophile, but tbh I don't care. It was creepy AF when she said it, but I've made her key worker and every professional involved with her aware of it.

ThirdElephant · 18/12/2021 13:46

Something from your OP that made me wonder- you said he invites your 16 month old over? So he's not inviting you over, but specifically your baby son? What do they say- can Josh come over/can you bring Josh over?

As I always tell my kids- adults should not want to be your friend. They have other adults for that.

MadeForThis · 18/12/2021 13:48

Don't let your son grow up thinking that he is a safe adult. Or his wife. She is happy to excuse his behaviour.

Earwigworries · 18/12/2021 13:50

Josh is learning that these people are part of your safe and approved social circle …what happens in a few years when Josh is walking home from school on his own and safe Mr Smith asks him to nip the n for a second and help him with something … or maybe earlier if Mr Smith spots his opportunity .

Earwigworries · 18/12/2021 13:52

I don’t think anyone suggesting you consider a move is being OTT either

TiddlesTheTiger · 18/12/2021 13:56

Speak to Mrs Smith.
Tell her you find her husband's comments upsetting and you'd rather not see so much of the two of them.
If they take the huff then that's a win!

It is going to be awkward living next door to them in future, whatever happens.

ElEmEnOhPee · 18/12/2021 13:57

Even if Mr Smith isn't a paedophile (I wouldn't be so sure that he's not but whatever) he's normalising these kind of comments to your child, so your child is even more vulnerable to ANYONE (not just Mr Smith) who has ill intent in the future. I'd be breaking all contact AND I definitely would be considering moving if possible.

IncompleteSenten · 18/12/2021 14:00

The bed comments are completely inappropriate and you should have said what the hell did you just say?

I would be pulling right back.

Riverlee · 18/12/2021 14:02

@MadeForThis

Don't let your son grow up thinking that he is a safe adult. Or his wife. She is happy to excuse his behaviour.
This.

Seriously creepy comments.

I would be slowly withdrawing my friendship with them. Keep the contact to ‘hellos’ in the street. There’ll be an age when your son is old enough to visit neighbours by himself. Start protecting your son now.

Pbbananabagel · 18/12/2021 14:04

Those are the kind of comments that are made to ‘test’ the boundaries and see what they can get away with. It may not be in this case, but this type of boundary testing is done by pedophiles to groom the parents into accepting a certain level of intimacy. To train you.

Zandathepanda · 18/12/2021 14:04

I don’t know if alcoholism is similar to dementia but it’s definitely the language you get at care homes. Where people don’t ‘mean’ it. Dementia can take a long time to develop to the stage where it’s undeniable. Inappropriate sexual stuff and regressing into child-like behaviour can be typical.
Could you ask the wife what support she’s getting as you are concerned about his behaviour - gives her an excuse to tell the truth too.
As others have said, the alarming alternative could also be true. So tell her you know she’s aware he’s language is inappropriate so you have to put your son first.

Summerfun54321 · 18/12/2021 14:06

Normalising comments like this is harmful whatever your neighbours intentions are. You need to learn to call out comments like that on the spot so your child knows they aren’t appropriate. Don’t be a bystander.

stayathomer · 18/12/2021 14:06

Somebody said about covid being your friend. I'd start there, excuses about not getting too close etc so you can figure everything out

Aquamarine1029 · 18/12/2021 14:07

You and your husband are being far too passive about this. I can't believe your neighbour says these sick things and you just sit there and say nothing. Confused

Notatwite · 18/12/2021 14:08

I would be slowly withdrawing my friendship with them

I’d not be withdrawing slowly. I’d stop all contact dead in it’s tracks in this case. I’ve been a people pleaser for years but finally in my 60s I’ve stopped thinking I need to keep the peace so I don’t upset anyone. Wish I’d learnt to do it a long time ago.

Moonface123 · 18/12/2021 14:09

If you have any doubts, or concerns l would listen to them, you are his Mum and Mums are very in tune and sensitive to picking up on the slightest something is not quite right alarm bells.

OakRowan · 18/12/2021 14:09

My alcoholic, mentally ill, unemployed so his enabling wife has to hold down two jobs to support him and keep a roof over their heads neighbour loves inviting my toddler round to socialise with, he just LOVES him, its must be so cheering for him. He manipulating all of us to support him in his dysfunction and allow him access to a child he wants as his special little friend. Nope.

TonTonMacoute · 18/12/2021 14:11

@Zandathepanda

I don’t know if alcoholism is similar to dementia but it’s definitely the language you get at care homes. Where people don’t ‘mean’ it. Dementia can take a long time to develop to the stage where it’s undeniable. Inappropriate sexual stuff and regressing into child-like behaviour can be typical. Could you ask the wife what support she’s getting as you are concerned about his behaviour - gives her an excuse to tell the truth too. As others have said, the alarming alternative could also be true. So tell her you know she’s aware he’s language is inappropriate so you have to put your son first.
I have to say I was thinking dementia too.

I do think you need to try and get some distance, it would be best if you could do it without a big fall out, but that might happen.

A quiet word with Mrs Smith on her own is needed.

StrongTea · 18/12/2021 14:11

Odd and creepy, avoid them. Moving is a good idea and I wonder if any other neighbours have had similar issues with them.

Momijin · 18/12/2021 14:12

Wtf?? I would literally have asked wtf comment is that and told him to never talk to any of us again or you'll call the police. Bloody creepy.

Scandisaurus · 18/12/2021 14:18

If someone said I want to go to bed with you to my child, I would have asked them what they meant by that and made it clear that it is not a normal comment to make.

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