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AIBU?

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to feel weird about my neighbour's comments about my son?

425 replies

pizzaallday · 18/12/2021 10:45

Hello,

I have a 16 month old and our neighbours are a married couple in their fifties.

They have three children, 26,28 and 32 and no grandchildren yet.

Ever since my son arrived, they have been doting over him.

Inviting him over, giving him food, playing with him.

We never leave him alone with them, either one of us or both of us is with him when he's invited over.

On the one hand I have absolutely no problem with them being so close to my son. The husband suffers from depression and doesn't work anymore and the wife has to work two jobs. They don't have it easy so I can understand how a toddler can bring light and joy to someone's life.

Let's call this couple Mr and Mrs Smith and my son is called Josh (names changed).

There are just some comments Mr Smith makes occasionally that I find cringeworthy.

For example:

  • He said when he was playing with him: "Oh Josh, I want to go to bed with you"
  • They knocked on our door in the evening and he said "Josh, I want to spend all night with you"
  • Last time we were at their house Mr Smith was playing with Josh. He then made a sawing motion at his ear and said: "I want to cut off your ear and make bacon off it".
  • The other day my husband left the house in the evening, because he had to go somewhere. Mr Smith was outside his house and he asked my husband: "Are you going to pick up Josh? (we send him to a childminder)" "I will come with you!"
  • Usually I pick him up from the childminder in the evening. When I arrive back home, Mr Smith usually sits in his car, because he has to pick up his wife from work. When he sees Josh, he either pulls his window down to shout his name or comes out to interact with him
  • Mr Smith has an alcohol problem as well. He drinks every evening, usually whiskey. In summer, when it was still warm at night, we often sat in our living room and heard Mr Smith singing in in the garden. It was obvious he was drunk and he was singing my son's name 😳 That has stopped now, either because it's too cold outside or perhaps because his wife asked him to drink less.

His wife always is very embarrassed when her husband makes those comments to my son and says "He doesn't mean it".

I know the comments are made in a certain context and I don't think Mr Smith is a pedophile.

Still, they give me a bad feeling and I feel like he is crossing boundaries he shouldn't.

It's very hard for me to know whether I am being unreasonable or not.

On the one hand they are a lovely couple with lovely children and are nice neighbours that we get on well with.

On the other hand his comments give me the creeps.

AIBU to feel this way?

OP posts:
ChippyTea16 · 20/12/2021 14:54

You really need to text her back now and say ‘I’ve been thinking about your request to see my son, some of the things your husband has said in the past have made me feel uncomfortable so from now on I won’t be allowing you to see him. Please don’t ask to see him again’

if she asks why you can quote what you’ve said on here as there’s really nothing she can say to justify it. If she pushes to see your son still at that point you need to get tough and say a firm no however much you don’t like confrontation

youvegottenminuteslynn · 20/12/2021 14:59

@ChippyTea16

You really need to text her back now and say ‘I’ve been thinking about your request to see my son, some of the things your husband has said in the past have made me feel uncomfortable so from now on I won’t be allowing you to see him. Please don’t ask to see him again’

if she asks why you can quote what you’ve said on here as there’s really nothing she can say to justify it. If she pushes to see your son still at that point you need to get tough and say a firm no however much you don’t like confrontation

This is excellent.

And necessary.

'I don't like confrontation' just isn't good enough when it comes to safeguarding your own child, I'm afraid.

Justheretoaskaquestion91 · 20/12/2021 15:36

I don’t understand why you wouldn’t just reply “I don’t understand why you want to see my son” or similar. Using excuses isn’t going to work because they live next door to you and you have no plans to move. It will end up with you folding and allowing them access because you “don’t like confrontation”. It’s much easier to say “DH and I feel uncomfortable about some of the things your husband has said about our son and would like a bit of space” or similar.

Cherryana · 20/12/2021 18:02

I think your isolating because of Covid is a good way to start putting some distance between you. You can be isolating for a very long time!!

Roundeartheratchriatmas · 20/12/2021 18:13

God almighty what on earth so the matter with you ?

These threads are always so terrifying - not because of the probable pedophile but because of the utter lack of boundaries by parents and care givers.

The face you didn’t say “what the fuck is wrong with you” as soon as he said it and remove your child is as terrifying as he is.

hereforthechat · 20/12/2021 18:19

@thethoughtfox

Get them. The fuck. Away from your child.
👌🏻
MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 20/12/2021 18:38

@HidingFromDD

Similar age and was fully expecting to read this and say ‘it’s a generational thing’. Comments such as the ear thing were common when we were growing up and generally just a sign of affection. The stuff about all night is absolutely weird and creepy. And I’d second all the other comments about drawing back a lot and don’t let your son see this person as a trusted adult. Trust your instincts on this one
The guy is in his 50s though. I'm in my 50s, and the ear remark is the sort of comment I associate with people who were elderly when I was a child - my grandparents' generation, now all long dead. I have never heard anyone of my generation say anything like that.

OP, there are two possibilities here. Either the neighbour is making inappropriate remarks because he is drunk, or (and I'm afraid I think more likely) he is grooming you - testing your boundaries to whether you step in. He is not going to respond to normal social signals like you not being very engaged. You are going to have to be direct.

Roundeartheratchriatmas · 20/12/2021 19:01

What would it actually take for you to tell him to stay the hell away from your child ?

OnwardsEverStridingOnwards · 20/12/2021 19:10

@pizzaallday why are you still going along with this?

Why the fuck does Mrs Smith have your number?

This is just getting absurd now.

shellylongbottom · 20/12/2021 19:17

You need to be more worried especially as you said he drinks. You don't know if a peadophile. I couldn't sleep at night with someone like that living next to me

HappyDays40 · 20/12/2021 19:27

Ou seem to be dancing around the situation OP. You sound like you don't want to upset them. It's going from the sublime to the ridiculous. Your son is reliant on you to protect him so you need to be firm and stop using excuses. Whether you are an assertive or not it is irrelevant you need to tell them that his is not appropriate what exactly is the reason why you haven't yet?

JoieDeLivres · 20/12/2021 19:31

“I don't think Mr Smith is a pedophile”

On the basis that they don’t often go around announcing themselves, I think it’s wise to take an “if it quacks like a duck” approach here. He told your child, in front of you, that he wants to go to bed with him and spend all night with him. He was testing you to see if your sense of social awkwardness would trump your instinct to challenge him, and on that occasion it sounds like it did. Not too late: never let him within 10m of your son again and if he starts singing his name in the garden again, phone the police.

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ClaudiaJ1 · 20/12/2021 19:58

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SommerTen · 20/12/2021 21:31

I once had a neighbour who wanted to have an affair with me.
I couldn't stand him & he was a weird creep.

Like 'mr Smith' he was an 50 year old alcoholic... he would get drunk at night and sing my name in his garden.

But I was a grown woman he was obsessed with not a 16 month old baby boy!!
So it was creepy but he wasn't a paedophile like I believe Mr Smith to be.

TL;DR. I scared off the creep in the end.
I was assertive to him and said no consistently (he was very persistent and had the hide of a rhino).

You now need to scare off your son's creep.
Being assertive and honest is extremely hard when you're not used to being like that but you HAVE to be in this situation.

I used to be very shy and quiet but I've learned to speak up in all kinds of situations for myself and for others.

I can think of no better reason to speak up than to protect your own child!

PurplePansy05 · 20/12/2021 21:41

I see some comments got removed on this thread. They were harsh, but true.

I respect there are talk guidelines, but here we either have someone who needs to hear the harsh truths (because there's a child who needs to be protected and this trumps any policy), or we have a troll. I still can't decide. Either way, this thread should be investigated, @MNHQ. And I support everything that was said in other ladies' posts that have been deleted. Who on earth wouldn't?! Hmm The removal doesn't sit well with me on this occasion at all.

Cherrysoup · 20/12/2021 21:58

@pizzaallday I simply cannot imagine why you didn’t text back saying ‘I have plans to spend time with my own son plus I do not appreciate your husband’s weird obsession and what he has said to my baby. No more contact’. You absolutely have to safeguard your child, fuck being neighbourly and polite.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 20/12/2021 22:11

"To be honest, we have become really uncomfortable with the level of interest in our son as well as Mr Smith's inappropriate comments. With this in mind, we don't want to spend time together any more. Please respect our wishes, we don't wish to discuss this further."

Send something like that. Bizarre a neighbour is texting inviting her and her husband over to see your child. Like actually batshit.

If you know you aren't good at saying things face to face, at least send a text like that and then you can just say "I text you about this, we don't want to talk about it" in person any time they attempt to chat and walk away.

Your child needs you to advocate for him. Do it!!

chinabumps85 · 20/12/2021 22:27

@PurplePansy05

I see some comments got removed on this thread. They were harsh, but true.

I respect there are talk guidelines, but here we either have someone who needs to hear the harsh truths (because there's a child who needs to be protected and this trumps any policy), or we have a troll. I still can't decide. Either way, this thread should be investigated, @MNHQ. And I support everything that was said in other ladies' posts that have been deleted. Who on earth wouldn't?! Hmm The removal doesn't sit well with me on this occasion at all.

I agree. @ClaudiaJ1 comment was so clear and on point, I couldn't have written anything better. I don't understand why it's got deleted and don't see how it breached any guidelines.

People are genuinely concerned on this thread and the OP needs more then hard truths if she can't even send a bloomin text explaining why she'll be keeping a distance. I seriously need to stay off of this thread as it's getting me so heated!

LizzieW1969 · 20/12/2021 22:43

@PurplePansy05

I see some comments got removed on this thread. They were harsh, but true.

I respect there are talk guidelines, but here we either have someone who needs to hear the harsh truths (because there's a child who needs to be protected and this trumps any policy), or we have a troll. I still can't decide. Either way, this thread should be investigated, @MNHQ. And I support everything that was said in other ladies' posts that have been deleted. Who on earth wouldn't?! Hmm The removal doesn't sit well with me on this occasion at all.

I also agree with this, as a CSA survivor, whose mum failed to protect my siblings and me because she failed to spot what was going on under her nose.

This thread is very triggering for a lot of us, so the anger is hardly surprising.

Suzanne999 · 20/12/2021 22:45

And thank God your son is too young to understand what your creepy neighbour is saying to him. Imagine this still going on in a year’s time, 2 years time when your son will not only understand the words but maybe be scared by the implication of them.
Please stop it now—- your neighbours have way overstepped any acceptable boundary. It sounds like the wife is maybe enabling the husband to pacify him.
In your place I’d be calling the estate agents, not giving a forwarding address and changing my mobile number.

NoNotMeNoSiree · 20/12/2021 22:53

The wife has now texted you?!Hmm
Seriously, what is wrong with you, why are you Still making bloody excuses?!
Block the number for crying out loud!
Who are they, anyway?
Random alcoholic neighbours/strangers who sing your son's name in the garden, talk about bedtime can you HEAR yourself?!
I'm not troll hunting but I have to say I really hope this isn't real.
You're beyond belief if so.

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